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Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 12:07:16


professor dead piggy 
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Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 12:10:40


[WM] Gnuffone 
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before speak check the games, some games like the one vs noobachool wasn't over but i decided to surredner anyway as i go in holiday since Tomorrow. HF
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 21:30:25


master of desaster 
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I checked it. It's still NOT cool. But i understand that some need to make people think they are awesome that badly.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 21:33:59


OxTheAutist 
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Excuse me can you explain what loss delaying is? Is it something where you have a few games you're going to lose, so you do them all in one batch? I don't understand how this would affect anything though. Clearly something I'm missing.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:03:12


Beren • apex 
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You have some games on the ladder that you're clearly going to lose, so you play slowly in those and quickly in games you're going to win. This enables you to inflate your rating. You then surrender those games after you've left the ladder.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:12:21


OxTheAutist 
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Thanks.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:28:24


ChrisCMU 
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Depends on the amount of stalling I guess. Sometimes I take the full boot time to consider my options when I think I have lost, yet keep playing my other games (while I simmer ideas on the tricky one). Then when I get to end of boot time and I can't think of a way to turn it around, I surrender. It usually isn't a batch for me though, and like I said I don't stall turns. I just give it the full turn amount to make sure.

What is shady about taking the full turn amount? You are allowed 3 days, what is wrong with taking 3 days?
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:33:27


master of desaster 
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Nothing at all chris. But it's just ridiculous that gnuff tried to make a run, failed it, ended up rank 3 and leaves the ladder. After that he surrenders his games from those at least 3 were clearly lost. Not worthy a good player.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:35:55


ChrisCMU 
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Looking at his games, he did not stall on Noobs, that was still in doubt. Anakin games was stalled a turn for sure. Mr Z game was stalled the full boot time, but no additional turns. Koala game was not stalled. Surrendered turn/day it was decided.

So really what I see is he stalled 1 game an extra turn (and full boot time) and stalled another game the full boot time.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:37:12


ChrisCMU 
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But yes, this seems odd from a person who has already made #1 on the ladder. I could see it for someone who just wants that trophy.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:37:27


Nex
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Gnuff's arrogance is well-documented by this point. Abandoning his clan after refusing to allow others to help restore it, stalling losses, cheating on ladders and, once being exposed for the crime, being proud of it ... this man has no morals.

Edited 8/11/2015 22:38:26
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:41:11


master of desaster 
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Chris why do you even defend it? It's more than obvious that he waited with surrenders in multiple games. He always wants others to think how great he is, but exactly actions like that make him just ridiculous. he tries to hide his losses so the community sees him only when he's rank 3 (pity it wasn't higher).
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 22:46:18


ps 
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seems gnuffone hasn't learned anything since he last quit.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 23:02:10


AWESOMEGUY 
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But yes, this seems odd from a person who has already made #1 on the ladder. I could see it for someone who just wants that trophy.

Technically, he hasn't. My memory is fuzzy, but he's taken #1 twice so far. The first time he only got to rank #2, so he asked #1 to leave the ladder for a day, thus giving him the rank he finally wanted.

The second time he obtained #1 was by playing his alt, which was already at a high enough rating to boost him to #1. He actually hasn't arguably taken #1 on the ladder so far.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/11/2015 23:08:51


Kenny • apex 
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I'm in the mood for roasted Gnuffone, keep going thread. Kappa.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 03:04:12


ChrisCMU 
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I did not defend it. I simply checked all games and quantified it so everyone else did not have to.

I stated it was odd for a person of his stature and was something i would expect from a worse player trying to grab a trophy
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 05:13:56


[WM] Gnuffone 
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It's ridicolous . Check games. I probably stalled for not more than 3 total turns. I planned to leave ladder yesterday anyway, as i had summer holiday. I played for fun, i wasn't looking for a run.
You are trying to make me looks bad but please check the timing of turns. Thanks

BTW
Technically, he hasn't. My memory is fuzzy, but he's taken #1 twice so far

3 times counting my main, thanks.

Edited 8/12/2015 05:33:35
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 09:29:11


Ctrl Alt Delete ♦ …ĆeLite ♦ 
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Lol!! Can only laugh about this, gnuffone claiming he hasnt done anything wrong, since he is in wg Chris defending him... Total shock
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 09:56:52


professor dead piggy 
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I didnt check the games, but as far as i can tell you just stated that you did infact delay losses "I...stalled for...3...turn(sic)". Stop doing it you nugget. Not because people will call you out on it, but because its annoying for the people you play against, empathise.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 10:02:04


[WM] Gnuffone 
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lol. apart the fact that techinally i didn't stalled at all, because 3 turns splitted in 3 games is 1 more turns for game. If you check 2 of them, was hard for me understand the exact income of opponent before last turn. Without mention i surrendet vs noobschool where the game was still on going.

What is bad, people attack me even when there is nothing wrong. Before say i stalled, check the games, and you will see i did not.
I didnt check the games,
Very nice piggy, you basically judge without even checked the games. applause.

Also i think i stalled few times in the past, but i wasn't who was used to make big stall like angry beavers or Pulsius did.

https://www.warlight.net/laddergames?ID=0&LadderTeamID=5174
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6355351
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6303091

say the guy who stallker for 20 days. (for who doesn't know, angry beavers was ctrl alt delete of GG clan)

Edited 8/12/2015 10:12:44
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 11:11:52


professor dead piggy 
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I looked at the games. You play fast (real time in most cases) until you see that youve almost lost, then you continue for ages and take almost the full boot time for each turn. Why? You had 4 losses on the go and one in the bank against a really low rated player so there was no good reason to delay surrendering any longer, you couldnt make no1 anyway. but I dont believe that if you had 2 losses you would have surrendered as (un)promptly as you did.

Edited 8/12/2015 11:27:57
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 11:26:09


professor dead piggy 
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Ok, lets play a game. I will post a screenshot of gnuffones game speed in one of his ladder games. guess whether he won that game or not.




Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 15:16:45


Ctrl Alt Delete ♦ …ĆeLite ♦ 
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Good you point a finger always to other players too gnuffone. I never said i hvnt stalled. After reaching the #1 spot i was curious if i could beat your rating by stalling. And yea it was possible.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 15:46:36

Lackadaisical 
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On the topic of calling out stallers, I didn't see anybody mention the actions of this recent ladder #1: https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=10072
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 15:57:40


professor dead piggy 
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Oh, yeah, that guy.


from this game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9100826

Edited 8/12/2015 16:00:28
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 16:41:29


ChrisCMU 
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LOL, asking someone to leave the ladder. Too funny.

BTW, we have seen clan mates do that for one another (leave ladder to get them #1). I have not seen it documented for non clan mates though.

Edited 8/12/2015 16:42:15
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 17:06:20

Lackadaisical 
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Next time I'm 11th in the ladder I'm going to PM the entire top 10 to get them to leave
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/12/2015 17:49:33


Master of the Dead 
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Sometimes, I need some time to think about my next move, and it is hard to find time on weekdays(work etc.) If the next move is obvious, I can make it quickly. I don't agree that if you have variable speeds in different games, that automatically classifies you as a staller.

As long as you are not holding onto a lost game, I don't consider it cheating.
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/15/2015 04:28:50

Purple Illusions 
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"BTW, we have seen clan mates do that for one another (leave ladder to get them #1). I have not seen it documented for non clan mates though."

I've never hit rank 2 for it to matter (9th at best), but Summer teased when I was 2100+ rating with 2 games to go till debuting that if I debuted at rank 2 she'd bow out for me to it rank 1.

Beaver, you throwing stones is ridiculous



I doubt Gnuff has ever stalled that severely. Even then you didn't surrender, you finally slipped and went over the 3 days and got booted.

Edited 8/15/2015 04:41:31
Loss delaying is still not cool: 8/19/2015 13:34:46


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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It isn't stalling if you take your turn in games that you are winning and games that you are losing at the same rate. That just makes you an inactive player.
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