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Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 15:30:34

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actually your data it outdated, the most recent study (released last week) shows that china is the less religious country, with 90+% defining themselves as non-religious, and 60+% convinced atheists


Believe me this is totally wrong, despite the prohibition of religions by the communist party, nowadays you can practice freely any religion, so there is a revival of religions currently in China. And most of the chinese believe in some way in a religion or many at the same time (buddhism mixed with taoism, and confucianism which is not really a religion but more similar to a philosophy), they do many rituals, and are certainly the most supersticious folk in this planet (source: I have been there for 6 months).

Edited 4/23/2015 15:47:11
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 15:47:47


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No, you're an Agnostic leaning towards Atheism, same as me. Also, for all you know, leprechauns are real, have you never been to Ireland?


No, i am an atheist, an quite serious about my atheism. I don't believe in deity.
But you will not find any atheist that will tell you he is 100% sure that there isn't some kind of higher power or god. This would be faith, and in my book, the definition of atheism is to reject faith and only rely on evidences.
If we are honest, everyone is agnostic, even religious people, but since they have "faith", they will tell you that they KNOW god exist (wich obviously they can't know, but faith is faith).

As a principle, i don't "believe" in something until there is enough evidence for me to start consider it as being true. As oppose to believing in everything i'm told without evidence, until proven wrong.

By saying that atheism is a belief, you switch the burden of proof.
Wether it be in courtrooms, in science, in philosophical discussion, and in debates, the burden of proof always lies with the one making the claim.
If a scientist make a hypothesis and says that he is right, the burden on proof is on him to prove that he is right. And all the opposition has to do is refute the scientist arguments. And after the testing of all the scientist arguments, if the hypothesis never failed, his hypothesis is a step closer to become an accepted as fact.

edit: example:
If i say God exists, then the burden of proof is on me to prove he exist.
If i say God does not exist, then the burden of proof is still on me to prove that god doesn't exist.

To my knowledge, i've never see any atheist arguing the non-existence of any kind of deities (as there would be no basis for the argument)
What you can see is atheists argue against the existence of a particular god. For example, the god of the Bible. If the bible being true is a prerequistite for the bible god to exist, then you can argue that the bible god doesn't exist by arguing that the bible is wrong.

Edited 4/23/2015 16:27:03
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 16:09:05


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The problem of measuring religious numbers with polls is that people tend to answer differently depending on how it's worded.
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 16:39:53


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But you will not find any atheist that will tell you he is 100% sure that there isn't some kind of higher power or god.


Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.


Atheism is being sure that there is no god, so on, while agnosticism is saying that nothing will be believed without evidence (but you can lean one way or the other).
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 16:52:30


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your definition:
Atheism is being sure that there is no god


wikipedia:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.


These 2 definitions are quite different in my opinion, and when i say i am an atheist, it means exactly "atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist"
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 16:55:22


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wikipedia:
Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable


So Atheism and Agnosticism answers 2 differents questions.
Agnosticism answers the question:
"what do you know"?
and atheism answer the question:
"what do you think?

So yes, i am an agnostic atheist
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 17:46:27


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So Atheism and Agnosticism answers 2 differents questions.
Agnosticism answers the question:
"what do you know"?
and atheism answer the question:
"what do you think?


I like that way of framing the difference.
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 17:49:25

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What is special in Vietnam there are so many secular? It's not really a modern country,,,
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 17:55:27


Жұқтыру
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Communists do not have time for religion.
Openly Secular Day: 4/23/2015 17:58:41

Elroi{IL}
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Oh because communism? Yes, they are usually without religion, as in Russia has a lot of without religion.

Edited 4/23/2015 17:59:01
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