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Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 13:36:57


The Lord
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In modern society, there is no excuse for homophobia. Every rational individual understands that the probability of God's existence is as near to zero as it can get. It does not matter what an ancient book has to say about anything. LGBT is a fact of life, and we all need to embrace it, or at least get over it.

Yet some people think that it is their right to say things like "homosexuality is a mental illness" or "f*gs should be stoned to death". Why don't we let them understand what it feels like to be at the receiving end of hate and harrassment because of something you have no control over? Why don't we give them a taste of their own medicine?

I suggest that we blacklist every homophobe in Warlight, and refuse to play in games where they participate in. Feel free to support the initiative as much as you wish. Here's an incomprehensive list of confirmed homophobes in Warlight:

- Colonel Harthacanute: https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=4737892289

Edited 4/9/2015 13:39:29
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 13:51:03

Pulsey
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As I said in my last post, you confuse homophobia with active harassment.

Homophobia simply means a simple aversion towards homosexuality.

So you don't think people should be allowed to have free speech and express their negative views regarding homosexuality? If people have instinctive natural aversion towards homosexuality, should 'moral' people like you force your 'moral' beliefs down their throat ? Is the very act of harbouring dislike towards the concept of homosexuality a cause for them to be treated the way as you suggested? I think you are being hypocritical, because homophobia is as stated in 'phobia' is a fear, and a fear, just like homosexuality is 'something you have no control over'. Surely they 'shouldn't be at the receiving end of hate and harassment because of something they have no control over?'

In my point of view, people have free speech and should be allowed to rant, for or against, homosexuality as much as they wish. There is nothing wrong with disliking a concept. Its only when they make 'personal' attacks and hate speech towards LGBT should we condemn.

Every rational individual understands that the probability of God's existence is as near to zero as it can get.


What!? There is no proof supporting or debunking the existence of a deity. How do you even come to this conclusion?

Edited 4/9/2015 15:03:11
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:11:01


Eklipse
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Here's a better initiative: Purify Warlight of censorship lovers like The Lord.

This is the perfect example of that theory that says extremes of the political spectrum often start to become like each other. The Lord is far left wing yet he thinks like a Fascist.

There's also irony when someone who preaches tolerance shows such prejudice against their opponents.

Tl'Dr: Free speech

Also, inb4 The Lord adds me to his "homophobe" list

Edited 4/9/2015 14:11:36
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:25:29


BONE
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typical bigot argument: "bu...bu...bu...free speech!" freedom to take away other people's freedoms. that would be a good joke if it wasn't so dark and depressing.

if you don't think that calling homosexuality a mental illness or saying they should be sent to a pacific island is active harassment then i don't see any need to try to convince you.

you also seem confused about what homophobia means. maybe once upon a time it meant fear of homosexuals. but when you hear any half intelligent person using it it means hate towards homosexuals.

it's ok to be afraid to have a penis touch your lips, it's not ok to call anyone who does enjoy it mentally ill.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:26:49


Pax Lucis
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Homophobia: a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly.

As for you eklipse, that is illogical. What he is doing is compiling a list of people he has found to be homophobes. So if people so please, they may block any form of communication with that player by blacklisting them. I don't understand how this has any connection to any of the words you used, although i know little to nothing about politics. As for this being censorship, people have as much right to listen to what someone says as that person has to say it. Unless what they say is against the rules. In which case, report them to Fizzer or something. Do you think what Lord is doing is wrong? Talk to Fizzer about it, maybe you can make a new rule :o (sarcasm)

@Pulsey Thats last part is agnostic.

Edited 4/9/2015 14:30:39
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:32:48


Legacy 
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The Lord's just an alt trying to set fire to people's minds. I doubt he actually believes anything he says.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:38:33


Pax Lucis
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Ignore kasparov's comment. It lacks in logic.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:39:52

Pulsey
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if you don't think that calling homosexuality a mental illness or saying they should be sent to a pacific island is active harassment then i don't see any need to try to convince you.


Calling homosexuality a mental illness is a belief. If backed up by his own arguments, it is justified as is free speech.
Suggesting that homosexuals should be sent to a pacific islands, however despicable, is an IDEA. It is free speech.
Threatening homosexuals with direct threats to send them to pacific islands is active harassment.


you also seem confused about what homophobia means. maybe once upon a time it meant fear of homosexuals. but when you hear any half intelligent person using it it means hate towards homosexuals.


No, I'm not confused what homophobia means. If you are too lazy to look up the entire word, just look at 'phobia' within the word. Your clam 'when you hear any half intelligent person using it means hate towards homosexuals ' is just your perception and a generalisation.

Homophobia: a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly.


I'm glad you used 'or' instead of 'and'. So you do accept homophobia can be harmless? It is natural to hold prejudice and be afraid. Harassing is a different matter.

@Pulsey Thats last part is agnostic.


I was aware of that, I'm not sure whats your point though.

Edited 4/9/2015 14:50:50
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:48:40


Eklipse
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Arma Lux, the only ones being illogical are you and The Lord. You're both advocating censorship of political views you don't like.

Edited 4/9/2015 14:48:52
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 14:52:43


Pax Lucis
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I just like to point things out that a lot of people wouldn't understand. Also i got that definition from merriam webster. Having an aversion to homosexuals is one thing that i don't mind too much. As long as they don't go spewing their bullshit and hate or tries to make anyone feel bad about themselves is when the line has been crossed.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 15:01:04


Pax Lucis
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Allow me to break down your entire post to show you how illogical it was.

Here's a better initiative: Purify Warlight of censorship lovers like The Lord.


Elaborate?

This is the perfect example of that theory that says extremes of the political spectrum often start to become like each other. The Lord is far left wing yet he thinks like a Fascist.


Again, you are throwing out claims with no backup. How is he acting facist "a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government" or "very harsh control or authority" As he is not doing anything like that.

There's also irony when someone who preaches tolerance shows such prejudice against their opponents.


That is not ironic as one of the definitions of prejudice is "a feeling of like or dislike for someone or something especially when it is not reasonable or logical" But what you were going for was this sense of the word "an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc." He is not showing this sense of prejudice. Infact, you are.

Tl'Dr: Free speech

Also, inb4 The Lord adds me to his "homophobe" list


Don't understand any of this other than him adding you to the list, which i would condone.

Edited 4/9/2015 15:02:19
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 15:31:12


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Who said I'm homophobic? I oppose gay marriage, not homosexuality.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 15:34:49


Taishō 
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I have a strong dislike towards people who advocate censorship of this nature.

There is genuine research that has been conducted showing that homosexuality is also socially influenced and that the genetic factors may not play as large a role as geneticists would have us believe. If we allow ourselves to believe that "we can't control" impulses and we advocate that form of thinking, then it will only be a matter of time before governments use that as an excuse to control every aspect of our lives for the sake of stability and security. Think of the long term repercussions of your actions.

For more details on that please do your own research, I advocate the right to not have to spoon feed you information.

That's not the point I want to bring up, though.

I think this hate on heterosexuals who refuse to condone homosexuality as disgusting as hate on homosexuals. While Christians/Muslims/Jews cannot budge on their belief that homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't give them the right to pass judgement. Judge not, least you be judge. One sin isn't better or worse than the other.

Don't turn this into an excuse to bash on the general religious community either, it just turns people who would have otherwise accepted or even supported you, away.

Your lack of faith is your business, The Lord, but your attitude puts you on the same level as Colonel, whether you're trolling or being serious with this thread.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 16:17:36


Nex
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He's not serious. Bane isn't either, as is Lux and Bone. They're all just trying to cause fights on here, and I'm reporting them. It's time to recognize this for what it is: these people aren't trying to advocate politics, or cause social change; they are deliberately sabotaging this community. Stop arguing with them. It only furthers their damage.


The Lord: I sincerely hope that when you are suspended, Fizzer will also suspend your main account. That is all.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 16:20:51


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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As a Christians were just suppose to be like

"Well hey guys you know homosexuality is a sin and like any other don't do it repent.

Not

"Your all bastards that are going to burn in hell for being gay"

^That is the wrong way. Those are the spoiled apples that horribly represent us. Christianity says homosexuality is a sin. Christianity DOESNT aprove of hateful bashing.

Although I disagree with Islam I'm not going to hate all muzlums because of isis.

And anybody being atheist doesn't give me the right to bash hate at you.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 16:47:38


BONE
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I certainly am serious. extremely serious. i live in indiana, i grew up in a small redneck town, i've seen the effects of bigotry. i've seen suspected gay people getting beat up for being gay. i've seen puny pathetic white kids saying if they saw a n****r they would hang them from a tree. they learned all this from their bigot dads who learned it from their bigot dads and so on back to the beginning of time. the things colonel has said are exactly the same things i heard from thousands of people growing up. and it's a mighty thin line from that kind of talk to "active harassment".

people with the exact same mindset vote for politicians that support sodomy laws and bans on gay marriage and civil unions in america. their types are the same types that behead homosexuals in muslim countries, send their sons and daughters to "therapy" to cure their "mental illness".

these same types of people are advocating castration, hormonal and physical, they are slaughtering homosexuals in africa and asia, and they are silencing homosexual and transgender voices all over the world.

and up until the past few decades the only voice allowed on the subject has been the voice of homophobia. now that more and more people are unafraid to speak up we are attempting to speak louder than the bigots, because that is the only way to get our ideas heard.

i would be perfectly happy if none of this was ever brought up on warlight. but when it is i feel a duty to humankind to speak up about it. if only because i truly believe with as much moral certainty as i can muster that the ideas of homophobia, racism, and sexism are extremely toxic to society and those ideas should be stopped from spreading.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 16:52:29


Nex
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I certainly am serious. extremely serious.



I don't believe a word of it. You and your clan have done nothing to make me think you mean well for this community.




Anyway. As said. I am reporting people who perpetuate this madness on the forums, and blacklisting them from any events I host. I encourage the rest of the community to do the same.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 17:05:29


BONE
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i suppose you can't take anything at face value on the internet. oh well. at least i tried.

and no i don't mean well for a community that is ok with bigotry. if that is what this community is about then i do not want to support it in any way.

Edited 4/9/2015 17:07:26
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 17:36:15


Pax Lucis
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I don't care if you think i'm serious, i'm not going to let a bunch of ignorant big headed people go on like this without telling them why they are wrong. I could just as easily have these conversations 1 on 1 in mail but this just to happens to be where we're talking. You can believe whatever you want, just as long as it doesn't impede on others rights. And i can kinda understand why religious people think gay people shouldn't get married. Think about it, marriage is done by a pastor or some shit and its supposed to be holy matrimony. blah blah blah. But in the end its basically a religious commitment, and religious people think gays aren't following the bible or whatever so they shouldn't be married by a bible. But what they fail to see is that most people don't even think about marriage like its religious. They just know they love each other and want to make it more than just partners. Then of course im sure a lot of you people just don't like gays and think they should have less rights. Which is discrimination. Discrimination is bad...
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 17:37:18


Bane 
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BONE is the only serious one in MSF...
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 18:11:51


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who here likes football/soccer/calcio
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:03:22


Poseidó̱nas
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Ahhhhh shutup Lord you cause more trouble than you will ever prevent, every post you have ever made on this forum has been trash what have you contributed to the warlight forums and why are you such a coward that you can't admit who your main account is!?
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:06:13


Pax Lucis
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More slandering. Classic.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:42:03

Quicksand 
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i hate Kristina Ronaldo, she isnt my taste. I want see nude messi
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:45:08

Slumdog
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The god has spoken ^
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:51:07


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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I agree with the original post except for ONE BLOODY THING. You speak of rationality and how rational people do not believe in the existence of God. However, that it untrue, there are billions of rational people in the world who believe in the existence of God. I do, I'm a Catholic. I also don't care if your gay. Be gay, its not my thing, I believe that you get into heaven all the same because If there is a god, he love all his creations if they are good in their lives. there shouldn't be pro or anti gay, its just gay. Be gay, whatever, I really just don't like when someones gay-ness is shoved in my face like "support me support me" No, support yourself. Because I have gay relatives and I had a gay friend( he moved to Texas, yeah Texas) And they don't shove it at you. Gays do not make their case by having weird orgy sex parades, be prideful in who you are, but I don't see a straight parade in Miami Beach, now do I? The issue in America and the Western(and well developed Eastern) World is that there is to much focus on the Gay part and less focus on the part that they are really just regular tax paying, law abiding citizens. I am ashamed of my political party the Republicans because they rely on the most fucked up book in the Bible to say that being gay is wrong. Leviticus also speaks about paying the church with a turtle on your period, so that book is a little weird. I believe that if Jesus were here today he would not care if you gay or straight, he would care that you lived your life fully and morally, and be a overall good person, regardless of who you love. I'd appreciate it if you would all take a moment and stop blathering over a non-issue, because if you really were "pro Gay" you wouldn't have t justify it on a website for immature children.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 19:52:38


Bane 
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^rational

but sadly most people in here are too tl;dr focused and will skip your post :(
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 20:35:38


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Claiming to be gay isn't rational, neither is it being good in life. If a gay person does not express their feelings for other men, I believe they will be rewarded, not punished.

That's why I am not homophobic. I am against any expression of love between people who have the same sexual organs, and one expression of that is gay marriage, so I advocate the banning of gay marriages.
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 20:40:17


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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Its not a claim when its who you are Colonel? What if hypothetically we lived in a society where homosexuality was the norm and babies were genetically made by donors. All people were with people of the same sex and you wanted to be with women? How would you feel? What if that societies holy books or moral state banned being "gay" as the definition would be in that culture? How would you feel? oppressed? angry? upset? How would you feel when you told your parents this and they rejected you? You become a social outcast? Put yourself in someones shoes and walk a mile before you claim to finish the marathon. My friend you are among those who give us Christians and conservatives a bad name. You claim much, but support little, there should be no issue with a loving homosexual couple as long as they live morally? I hope that if Jesus, Mohammed, or Buddha was alive today, they would be upset you interpret religion so.

The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
Mark 12:31
Initiative: Purify Warlight of Dirty Homophobes: 4/9/2015 21:59:49


Genghis 
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Julius, that entire vision is a nightmare. Not because of homosexuality, because of no natural children.

I think that if we held an *actual*debate, the issue of these things would be resolved without such constant conflict.

This would entail a committee selecting their speaker for their side, a set of 4 dialogues within a round, and a session of 4 rounds. Each side gets an equal budget of available characters, and equal amount of dialogues.
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