My last map was refused.
https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=41413

Fizzer answered my request for the concrete reason:
The requirement is simple: Say you showed a picture of your map to a WarLight player who has never seen it before, pointed at each territory, and asked them, "What territories does this connect to?". If they can answer the question to within 95% accuracy for every territory, then it passes.
If they can't, you should change it so that the connections are obvious just by looking at the map.

Please help me to find the reason! I played WarLight for a while and maybe I lost the sight of a novice.

· Should I connect the Circles in the Hexagons (Arena) visibly?

· The Gates in the Arena and in the Catacombs are one divided territory. Should I connect them visibly?

· The Stands are no fighting-arena. They are part of the bonus-territories in the arena. The Idea is that the spectators become fans of a player, symbolized by becoming his color. - I know, this is a new feature that didn't use in any Map before. But in Testgames the players understood the concept without explaining.

· Or is it the connection between the gates and the first two hexagons in the arena?

Some circles pretty randomly connect to the stadium.

Also, you only need 20 testplayers.

Ah, ok...
The stadium is no fighting-area. The territories in the stadium are connected to the bonus-territories.

Naaa... this is in fact difficult to understand, if you only see a picture of the map. It's very understandable by playing. (There is no Centerpoint in the Stadium ranks. So, no attacking-arrow will lead into the Stadium ranks. No Army-counter will appear in the Stadium ranks.)

:-D - You are right 20 testplayers lvl 1! hahaha... And they needn't play. It's enough showing them a picture.

Edited 3/17/2015 05:00:49

I agree with him. Visually it is great, but if you just look and dont click you have no idea what connects. The hexagons should be the territories not the circles, and show connections to stands too. They can be artistic, but need to be shown

Another tester friend of mine on this map suggested that each of the bonus territories as in the hexagon and stand which are supposed to be the same territory would have the same coloured outline,
Would this show the stands and arena are connected as the same territory chris?

The only problem with this map is if people choose to play it without the correct distribution, but I suppose its up to them how they play it, the map makers just have to show its playable not the way to play it.

This is a testgame: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8219087

I think this new feature is without playing hard to understand.

Edited 3/17/2015 05:28:23

It would be a travesty if this map wasn't fixable as the time and effort with both detail and imagination gone into it would be lost...

I demand a judicial review! *internet gods please*

it sounds like you created a map for a scenario, and decided to simply use warlight as the medium in which to use it.
skimming through the test game real quick after having looked at the original link.. I was shocked to discover the artistry on the left were also territories..
I suspect Fizzer fears that this maps "only" purpose would be for this custom scenario, and would be unviable in any form for any other type of gaming.



""· The Stands are no fighting-arena. They are part of the bonus-territories in the arena. The Idea is that the spectators become fans of a player, symbolized by becoming his color. - I know, this is a new feature that didn't use in any Map before. But in Testgames the players understood the concept without explaining.""

I don't understand *no fighting-arena* If it's not meant to be used for fighting, why not make the spectators of those fighters just the same territory as the fighter... then the crowds would change as the fight goes, without actually forcing you to attack the fans in order to change the fans to your color..

the circles inside the stadium randomly connect to the seats of it. Get rid of those connections or add lines to show that they are connected.

@Perrin,

"I don't understand *no fighting-arena* If it's not meant to be used for fighting, why not make the spectators of those fighters just the same territory as the fighter... then the crowds would change as the fight goes, without actually forcing you to attack the fans in order to change the fans to your color.."

Thats exactly what they do... you are mistaken, when someone takes the territory in the arena which is part of the bonus in the stands it changes to their colour, so as you say the crowd changes as the fight goes on, you are mistaken.

I agree however that Fizzer may think what you suggest that its only suitable for one type of gaming, but lets be honest their are lots of maps like that already used so this is not different. Not to mention you could still probably have different types on it based on the settings, self rules and other things.

@DanWL

The circles in the stadium are not random, each one which is connected to a bonus corresponds to a part of the stand, you attain a whole section of a stand you get a bonus, you attain a whole inner circle of a stand and you get another bonus.

I agree their may need some sort of symbol of connection between these two, that's why quoted a suggestion the outline colours be the same to correlate circle to stand.
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Overall theirs a need to perhaps clarify the area's which fighting for territory takes place and where they connect, but not much else is wrong with it awkwardly, you cannot say the side catacombs have to be physically or directionally shown as this map does the same and was passed, https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=33722

However on the above linked map, I did spot a key code as it were showing how the city is linked to the city map, maybe this is what is needed between the catacombs and arena??

Overall Fizzer has still been very oblique about how to solve the 'problem' he says their is on this map.

Edited 3/17/2015 07:50:43

Overall Fizzer has still been very oblique about how to solve the 'problem' he says their is on this map.

this was true for me in the past. email him and ask him directly, but be nice.

Thanks Arminius!

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If you click this link: https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=41413 (same like above) please don't use your professionally view, but mind the simple information you'll get.

Click on a circle-Territory within a Bonus (marked with a darker hexagon-background). You will notice that the circle-Territory becomes blue (because you selected it) and the circle-Territories around becomes yellow (because they are connect to your selected Territory). Now don't click anywhere else and take a look to the Stadium ranks. One rank became blue, too (because your selected circle-Territory is combined with this territory!) And some ranks became yellow. In fact, they are not connect to the blue rank, because they are combined with the Bonus-Circle-Territories which border to your selected circle-Territory.

Take the famous Medium-Earth-Map: Ireland is part of the territory "United Kingdom". Say you showed a picture of "Medium Earth" to a WarLight player who has never seen it before, pointed at Ireland, and asked them, "What territories does this connect to?". Maybe some will answer: "This territory connect to "United Kingdom" because there are no visible connections between Ireland and France, Germany or Iceland. But if this guy play the Map, he will recognize immediately that Ireland and United Kingdom is one and the same Territory. Because they become the same color and only one Territory contains the Center Point which shows the Number of Troops. And only from this point possible Attacks are shown with that red and blue arrows (like on my Map).

And I bet, 95% Warlight player will recognize the concept of my map at the latest after turn 3.

If they don't? So what! They rate the map 1/5. And soon the Map will disappear on the Map-cemetery beneath the 3.0 Rating where only Lottery survives.

I will add some more explanations on the Map. And I hope this new and not usually (but playable) Idea will get a chance. It's no problem, if you hate the Idea, but mind that the 100th Map of Europe will become boring, too.

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Edit:

Hey, Bane! This is my mail that Fizzer answered with my posting above:

Hallo Fizzer!

I receive following message answering my last try publishing the Map https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=41413:
All territory connections must be visible on the map. In other words, it must be possible for a reasonable person to determine what territories exist and what they connect to just by looking at the map.
Please allow me to ask for a concrete requirement.

· Should I connect the Circles in the Hexagons (Arena) visibly?
· The Gates in the Arena and in the Catacombs are one divided territory. Should I connect them visibly?
· The Stands are no fighting-arena. They are part of the bonus-territories in the arena. The Idea is that the spectators become fans of a player, symbolized by becoming his color. - I know, this is a new feature that didn't use in any Map before. But in Testgames the players understood the concept without explaining.
· Or is it the connection between the gates and the first two hexagons in the arena?

Please excuse my misunderstand.

greetings
eliod

Edited 3/17/2015 14:27:34

@Eliod,

The darker shades have improved it to show difference but its still so close to the other colour you can barely see its different.

The Yellow and blue does help a lot showing which is part of the territory and what it is connected to.

However what my point was that in this map, https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=33722, in the top left corner you have a guide to how the territory's for cities are connected, in this map the gate both in arena and catacomb are one territory this makes it much easier to play but maybe less easy to understand?

I say wait until Fizzer reply's to you.

good luck

ahh, I see.
I misunderstood when I was looking at it, ahah.
yeah, the problem must be in Fizzers mind the entrance to the pit.. however that is fairly intuitive if you just spend a moment examining it.

and that kind of cancels out the custom scenario.. I was thinking because it had special rules to follow for those territories, but it would be natural ... It's really no different than a map with 4 strong starting spots that go out into a mass area to combat.

maybe invite him to a test game so he can see how natural it flows?

Getting it after turn 3 is no good. People need to understand what connects without playing a game on it.

@Chris, now we are just discussing the basic level of intelligence someone needs to comprehend a clear connection, I'm sure you as I have played plenty of games with people not seeing how something connects to another thing but you saw it easily at the start.

Edited 3/17/2015 15:38:28

Fizzer has a point here.