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Communism and Capitalism: 2/13/2015 23:43:09


Zalamar
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In America, we've always been told Communism is evil, But is Capitalism much better?


Capitalism:
System of government is democratic
Property is privately owned
Driven by free enterprise
Wealth distributed unevenly
Education and health care provided by private entities
Freedom of the press Class distinctions: upper class, middle class and working class
Focus is on the individual and his/her own progress in life

Communism:
System of government is totalitarian
Property is owned by the state
No free enterprise is allowed
Wealth distributed equally
Education and health care provided by the state

Give me your thoughts on both
Communism and Capitalism: 2/13/2015 23:47:41


Жұқтыру
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Socialism is the way to go.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/13/2015 23:51:33

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Communism can be democratic. I am more favorable toward communism because the class system in capitalism has gotten to the point where the lower class is disrespected and mistreated while the 1% buy elections to forward their agenda. In the American public school system you're taught that communism is evil, and I think this is a relic left over from the cold war. After doing independent study on the subject I favor it much more than capitalism.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/13/2015 23:53:31


Zalamar
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I used to think Communism was evil, but the more I learned about it, the more I realized that it sounded so much more better than Capitalism. It could use some reforms though.

Edited 2/13/2015 23:55:24
Communism and Capitalism: 2/13/2015 23:57:51

soccernick4321 
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I do agree. I like private property, just as long as we don't have the insane wealth gaps that we currently have. I think that if the human race is to go forward we are going to have to drop the competitive, greedy, destructive nature of capitalism and work together as a cohesive species.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 00:24:21


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dem commies r evil im tellin u guys
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 00:26:53


Zalamar
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, But do a little research, and you'll see that with reforms, Communism could be one of the best forms of government,
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 00:56:58


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The major problem with communism is that it doesn't take into account the true nature of people and therefore sounds much better in theory than it works in the real world.
Wealth distributed equally

Who distributes the wealth?
The leader/dictator/government
Do you trust the people running things to actually do this?
Let's say we get lucky and the first leader of this communist nation does his job well, and distributes the wealth equally, treating himself exactly the same as every other person. What happens when it's time to get a new leader? How do you pick a trustworthy successor, and how do you keep them honest? Frankly I find it impossible to trust people to not pinch a little off the top for themselves, their friends, etc. This would be a problem that would keep getting worse over time, to the point that the people at the top live a more or less secret life of luxury and opulence with everyone else living in poverty. Equal poverty.
Property is owned by the state

This is the part that sucks for all the worker bees. How hard would you work if you got the exact same distribution of wealth (i.e. paycheck) no matter what you did, and you couldn't be fired? Economics teaches us that people respond to incentives, and communism gives no incentives for hard work, critical thinking, innovation, progress, etc. The only incentive anyone would have for doing anything is patriotism. That's it.
If you have a small community, patriotism could be enough, because the people performing would actually see the fruits of their labor.

Also, not all of your facts are correct. Democracy, totalitarianism, education and health care providers and freedom of the press are all things that have nothing to do with a country's economical system.
Freedom of the press is just a thing America's founders wanted to have prominence in the Constitution, in response to England's lack of it at the time.
Education and health care can be public or private. It boils down to if you want to pay the schools and hospitals more directly, or if you want to pay them through taxes.
Democracy and totalitarianism along with republics (America is more of a republic than a democracy. More precisely, America is a democratic republic), monarchies and others are just systems of deciding who is in charge. A totalitarian communism doesn't even make sense, because by definition the ruler is not equal. A democratic communism actually makes a lot of sense, and that sounds like a nice place to live. Everyone gets an equal say in every decision and an equal share of the wealth. In America, we call these places hippie communes. Read up on them, if you like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune

Edited 2/14/2015 01:25:42
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 00:57:05


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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Communism has no wealth gaps because government gives the people the pay check. The person to your left could be working less then you and is getting the same pay you are. The person to your right could be working harder and gets paid the same as you do. Capitalist just depends on what your job is and how much you work. I support capitalist but you are entitled to your opinion.

Also N Korea is communist. Have no rights to the people

China has no rights

Iron russia
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 00:58:23


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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Also as hanky said it only works in theory.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:01:43


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Limited rights*

People get no rights and limited rights and freedoms so confused.

Also, I would go in a lengthy tirade about how North Korea is the greatest country in the world, but too tired now.

Edited 2/14/2015 01:02:11
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:02:39


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I agree with most parts of Communism in principle. However, it's been proven more than once that communism doesn't work in practice. Look at what happend to the USSR. Look at modern day communist countries of North Korea,Cuba,Laos,and Vietnam (Not the highest rated in every area.) Of course you do have China but they're more of a mixture at this point.

Also, throughout history communist governments have tended to become very hostile towards religion. Even going as far to outright ban them and arrest/kill religious people. I'd perfer that myself and my family live, so I'd probably vote against any communist movement unless I knew for sure they'd be better than ones in the past.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:03:44


Zalamar
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North Korea isn't Communist

And Communism itself will never last very long, which is why it needs reforms. Unfortunantly, this may never happen.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:10:31


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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Communism is great in theory, it fails, however, in practice, as human nature takes over and greed takes precedence over the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:31:17


Zalamar
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Unfortunantly, yes.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 01:37:55


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Capitalism has failed quite tremendously. Look at the US. A rich priveledged elite that has NO barrier between private business and government.

Massive corruption by banks and corporations, literally stealing money from taxpayers in the form of bailouts and stiumulus packages, whilst cutting benefits and putting further strain on the weakest parts of society.

Of course, there is also no free press, as the richest people benefitting from this also own mainstream media outlets.

You have the pioneer spirit, but the majority of wealth is inherited, not created. The rich are not rich from hard work and grit, that is only happening in a minority of cases.

It's hard to think of why American's fight so hard against free healthcare and education. Surely these things benefit everyone except for the rich that want to keep their families place as elite, educated healthy superhumans.

It might be hard to see how it's so bad if you live in the US, but go ahead and step over the border into Mexico, or god forbid further south. How is Africa and Asia handling capitalism?

Not well at all, starving children, rampant disease.. All the while the rich have enough in the bank to eliminate these problems entirely... yet don't..
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:13:46


Eklipse
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Capitalism certainly has a long list of flaws, and I don't exactly like it, but I don't see Communism as a viable alternative either. At least not until people are ready to step up and do it right.

In the Soviet Union there was still mass starvation and poverty. The government had control of all resources and money, it had the power to solve problems but it didn't. This is what makes me wary of any future communist governments. I'm afraid we'll turn over all power to a government only for said government to turn around and screw over the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:28:04


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"North Korea isn't Communist" eh, communist, dictators same thing
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:52:46

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I think communism could work if there wasn't such a stigma against it. It sucks that it gets demonized so badly and that people think the USSR represented real communism.

I think the key to overcoming the issue of human greed that always gets brought up as an argument against communism is to establish a system of "checks and balances" that prevents any one person (or a group of people) from rising to sole power. It's no different in the US Government. There always has to be a way of keeping selfishness and greed away from the government. Communism is no different. I don't think it's impossible to implement such a system.

In fact, if it wasn't so heavily stigmatized we could be having serious conversations about such a system in theory. I'm surprised there are even people on here that support it. Whenever I research it on the internet, people usually jump on the "it's evil because the Soviet Union" bandwagon.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 02:59:32


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Also, I would go in a lengthy tirade about how North Korea is the greatest country in the world, but too tired now.


Please do. I would find that incredibly amusing.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:00:12


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Just look at the death totals for communist regimes in the 20th century. Communism is just a mythology for oppressive dictatorships to sell to the people.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:05:56


Thomas 633
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communism is great but impossible to properly implement
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:11:30


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Well a good mix would be a Nordic style government=Social democracy so theirs a bridge for ya. They are the happiest people in the world. I still don't support socialism or socialist extremist that is communism.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:29:33


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Ok, here goes the North Korea argument:

In Korean sources, North Korea ranks top in population, living standards and military. Can't really beat that easily. Although they do have many enemies, these enemies are easily destroyable. Furthermore, North Korea is kind enough to announce to the world when it is testing it's nuclear weapons (true fact; North Korea was the only country that warned other countries that it was going to do nuclear testing). Although some may argue that these sources are unreliable, what sources can you provide that are not biased against North Korea because they are enemies of the great state.

In case you haven't noticed, I was joking, Apex, though I've got two people on the hook on this one :)

But I do think that North Korea is exaggerated in how poor it is.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:34:16


Thomas 633
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the official website of north korea:
http://korea-dpr.com/
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:35:05


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The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a genuine workers' state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.

Quote from their offical website.

Edited 2/14/2015 03:35:23
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:36:37


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Yeah, how can that go wrong? :)
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:37:18


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^haha hahaha my soul giggles at the lies hahajajajajajah
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:40:36


Kenny • apex 
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In case you haven't noticed, I was joking, Apex, though I've got two people on the hook on this one :)


I'm Lolowut, part of Apex, but it flatters me you would call me by my clan.

I didn't say I thought you believed it. I said it would be highly amusing to see an argument for North Korea.
Communism and Capitalism: 2/14/2015 03:42:53


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Don't be sore...you totally fell for it...

But if it makes you feel better, someone directly emailed me to ask why I thought North Korea was the greatest country in the world.
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