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Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 17:17:14

mbohn2
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This is a major problem! You pay money to play a FFA and the opposing players names are blacked out until after you join. After joining and starting I see 2 players from the Incognito clan. Godl1k3 and antoniy. They readily admitted to working together in FFA games to earn coins and thus steal money from players who cannot tell they are being cheated until the game is started and their coins are committed. This is utter BS and I will no longer play these games. I should be credited back the coins that were stolen due to the blocking of names prior to joining. Please respond to this and let me know how the system can be fixed. Thank you!
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 19:22:18


Turnips_are_tasty
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From the moment I saw rankings, I assumed this would go downhill. Now you add a true money factor, and actually expect it not to be full of cheaters? Many individuals believe that their ranking matters, and are willing to cheat for it. A FFA is just that, with alliances created and falling apart constantly. Going into the game with a deal is simply less fun for others.

Have fun with ladders, clans, rankings, and now money. I will simply play and enjoy.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 19:26:40

Seahawks 
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Report them in game for cheating, and something will be done. Dont whine about it on the forums
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 20:29:24


slammy 
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Report them in game for cheating, and something will be done. Dont whine about it on the forums


the real issue is that fizzer doesn't consider it cheating, as per the livestream yesterday.

Edited 12/14/2014 20:34:23
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 20:34:34


xCrypticX
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Guys to be honest it is not just GoD.. doing it many players are starting to do this so i don't really see anything wrong with it
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 20:34:56

GoDL1k3
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Antoniy, capital "A", have respect for my brother :)

However I play way too often 2vs2 in that 4FFA games

Edited 12/14/2014 20:36:03
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 21:07:39


slammy 
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i think that at some point fizzer will come to his senses and realize that encouraging collusion is bad for business. until then, i'd encourage him to at least put a big WARNING: Players can and will team up against you.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 21:36:59


[NL] Willem van Oranje
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This is why I think game schould be for fun, also players from not the same clan which know eachother in real life can communicate via facebook and join those games to work together to defeat other players in a FFA game. 3FFA games are really sensitive for this kind of cheating.

Edited 12/14/2014 21:37:17
Coin Game Collusion: 12/14/2014 22:12:53


his balls. 
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FFAs are in affect just team games now then. There is no point considering entering unless you have a partner to work with.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 04:57:10


ChrisCMU 
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The fact that you can do FFA games for coins makes no sense to me. I thought the idea was to NOT make it gambling and take all luck out of the game. But if you have FFA, there is certainly luck involved. It is not a 1v1 or 2v2 with known teams.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 17:54:00


Kenny • apex 
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By definition it's not luck because you can do the same thing back to them. I called this before it even happened on skype:

[11/29/2014 8:19:43 PM] Kenny: now
[11/29/2014 8:20:03 PM] Kenny: Strat 1v1 would yield the best chances to win out of skill
[11/29/2014 8:20:09 PM] Kenny: but the 4-player FFA is fishy
[11/29/2014 8:20:15 PM] Kenny: can someone explain why I think this?
[11/29/2014 8:20:16 PM] Kenny: :P
[11/29/2014 8:21:28 PM] Sammy: can you play ffa with alts? :D
[11/29/2014 8:21:36 PM] Kenny: well you could using proxies
[11/29/2014 8:21:39 PM] Kenny: but imagine you have..
[11/29/2014 8:21:42 PM] Kenny: a group of 3 players
[11/29/2014 8:21:55 PM] Kenny: who collaborate in a way that isn't exactly noticeable
[11/29/2014 8:22:06 PM] Kenny: and they consistently trade off who wins among the 3
[11/29/2014 8:22:20 PM] Sammy: gnuff, gnuff, and gnuff
[11/29/2014 8:22:29 PM] Sammy: this was made for him
[11/29/2014 8:22:31 PM] Kenny: well it could be possible with VPN/proxies
[11/29/2014 8:22:37 PM] Kenny: but I'm just saying 3 players
[11/29/2014 8:22:47 PM] Kenny: you rotate the winner
[11/29/2014 8:22:51 PM] Kenny: everyone makes profit albeit
[11/29/2014 8:22:55 PM] Kenny: it's a small profit
[11/29/2014 8:23:01 PM] Kenny: 1/3rd of the 4th guy every game
[11/29/2014 8:23:26 PM] Sammy: as soon as you get a $2 profit it would be obvious what you're up to
[11/29/2014 8:23:38 PM] Kenny: is it obvious though?
[11/29/2014 8:23:55 PM] Sammy: would you need a membership to bet?
[11/29/2014 8:24:05 PM] Sammy: or be at a certain level?
[11/29/2014 8:24:27 PM] Kenny: probably certain level
[11/29/2014 8:24:31 PM] Sammy: if it takes work to be able to bet, people won't be too excited to juke the system
[11/29/2014 8:24:38 PM] Kenny: well
[11/29/2014 8:24:51 PM] Kenny: Imagine if everyone in this chat decided to become a collaborator
[11/29/2014 8:24:53 PM] Sammy: although it will be handy to have some hidden alts for the 1v1
[11/29/2014 8:25:06 PM] Kenny: We continuously have groups of 3 and switch our group every week
[11/29/2014 8:25:11 PM] Kenny: you could juke the system
[11/29/2014 8:25:13 PM] Kenny: make profit
[11/29/2014 8:25:20 PM] Kenny: and there's no easy way to prove it
[11/29/2014 8:25:29 PM] Kenny: since you're consistently playing with new opponents
[11/29/2014 8:25:34 PM] Kenny: but you're making profit over time
[11/29/2014 8:25:43 PM] Sammy: lets try it
[11/29/2014 8:25:47 PM] Sammy: see what happens
[11/29/2014 8:25:48 PM] Kenny: hahaha
[11/29/2014 8:25:58 PM] Kenny: no, I'm ethical, I'd never bite
[11/29/2014 8:26:02 PM] Kenny: but I'm pointing out the flaw.

Given that you don't even have to rotate your group because Fizzer doesn't mind if you collude, just grab 2 people you know and collaborate on skype. Join an empty FFA game with all 3 of you and absolutely slaughter whoever joins. You could also make the stakes higher yourself and see if anyone bites. As you can see by the date, I pointed this out before the site even got updated because it was just so obvious.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 19:08:40


slammy 
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yeah but you didn't call that it would be considered "ethical" play :P
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 19:10:07


slammy 
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also, as damning as it looks from this conversation, i'm not up to anything shady. i was just trying to point out flaws.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 20:16:00

daftpunk
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Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 20:19:26


ChrisCMU 
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To quote Hangover...It's not gambling if you know you're going to win.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 20:56:34

GoDL1k3
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why would you bother to collaborate with 3 people, your total win is 16 coins for the winner (4 coins per game for each player). You can simply win with 2 people, unless 2vs2 its hard for you, lol
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 22:04:30


Jefferspin 
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I honestly just find it crazy that there are $50.00 1v1 games going on right now. It has sped up quickly hasnt it?
Coin Game Collusion: 12/15/2014 23:25:16


Kenny • apex 
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@Godl1k3: Because of the possibility other people doing the same thing. Why make it difficult? You don't even have to use the FFA autogame, create your own with higher stakes and see if someone will risk $10, the goal is to get someone to 7.5k coins and then split that 3-ways. So quicker you can do that the better. You could even raise the stakes to $25 since if you trust the other 2 people cooperating with you, you'll constantly profit. The margins are small but it is possible to do.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 05:27:59


Dairiy
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This is why games like Warlight are best kept out of the gambling trade. People will always be able to rip you off on online flash games when real money is involved. Seeing how this will probably never be fixed, you should definitely never buy coins or play the coin games again - not worth the money. Open a savings account or something.

I'm also hard-believed to find people defending coins and calling OP whiny? The guy was RIPPED OFF. I would be pissed, you would be pissed. Stop kissing up, you offer no help.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 05:41:03


Kenny • apex 
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@Dairiy: only one person told the OP to stop whining, and he's always been an asshat so it's not particularly surprising. Idc about coin games because they don't suddenly change the site or how I intend to use it, so voicing the opinion that if you don't like coin games then don't play them is pretty logical in this extent. Coin games don't affect you, they don't affect anything other than the people who intend to play them, and Fizzer's wallet. Hopefully this added revenue will help update the site so that the feature list we've been asking for years will finally be completed.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 14:35:07


slammy 
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@Dairiy- funny enough some people think alts ruined the site first.

Agreed with lolo- Fizzer voiced interest in taking the money to get another full-time coder.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 14:53:19


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, I will probably barely play coin games given the minimum to cash out. I would have to play a lot of them, it just isn't worth my time because by the time I play that many games, it will be all sharks left anyway as people burn through their free coins.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 16:21:13


Kenny • apex 
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Yeah the $75.00 thing makes it so I either have to play much more than I already do or take really risky games.
Coin Game Collusion: 12/16/2014 16:39:37


Richard Sharpe 
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You don't even have to use the FFA autogame, create your own with higher stakes and see if someone will risk $10


Unless I am mistaken, this is not possible. User-created coin games are by definition challenges and have to be directed at a specific opponent. They cannot have open seats as you propose.
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