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An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 15:58:34


{rp} General Mac 
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For arguments sake settings are seasonal ladder

You make an alliance and it works great, one person out...

You log on to take your turn and the 3rd person has surrendered

The system asks you if you want to accept you say yes

You look and the person you have an alliance with has already made their turn, they have also accepted the surrender so player 3 is definitely out and there is no private message to you. Time is fairly low so you have to make your turn now, no time to discuss actions with the other player

Do you...

A, Plot your turn to attack the player you had an alliance with the only person left in the game

B, Message saying you will attack next turn, making sure not to attack him this turn, hoping that he doesn't attack you

Cast your votes now :)
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 16:03:13


ps 
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C) stop playing FFA's without diplomacy cards.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 16:11:29


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
Level 57
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D) As you are in the game already discard ps' advice and do A.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 16:53:13

Ryan
Level 47
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E tell him your attacking this turn and attack him
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 16:54:50


hedja 
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Stack troops on your borders with that player, mainly focus on expanding into the surrendered player's bonuses.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 17:02:16


Min34 
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If you have to choose between the two of those choose B. Don`t be a dick in FFA`s
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 17:03:12


Master Miyagi • apex 
Level 59
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KiLL HIM! Death to all unworthy of Mac! All Hail General Mac!
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 17:41:40


۞RoastedChicken۞
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Depends on who he is, and what was said prior. Normally I make the 1 warning agreement at the inception of the alliance.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 18:06:00


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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Do a barrel roll!

Depends on the game. There is no correct answer for every game ;)
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/12/2013 21:20:19


{rp} Julius Caesar 
Level 46
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F- tell him your surrendering then attack
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 00:33:47

The Duke of Ben 
Level 55
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Try to arrange a plan before your opponents surrender, and don't wait until you've got no time before getting booted to go play your turn. A little communication, especially on the turns leading up to surrender, can fix most any problems.

Any other situation will find you making the wrong choice from time to time. There's no perfect answer here, because some people are oblivious and making a nonsense turn, and some people are going cutthroat as soon as they see the other player surrender.

Also, if they are normally fairly talkative and they stop being talkative when the alliance might be over, send them a message to that effect, give them some time to see it, then attack even if they don't respond.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 00:40:42


Z-Dog 
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If the other player accepts the surrender, it's same to assume that they realize only the two of us are left. I would probably send them a message and wait until the boot before attacking. I think a better dilemma would be if this happened in a game with automatic surrendering.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 01:04:53


Motocross5800 
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General Mac BACKSTABBED ME IN A season X 4 player FFA. He accepted the players surrender and it was just me and him and the turn he accept the players surrender he ATTACKS me with no notice (we were allies) just so he could win the game.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 02:59:58


Ironheart
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I agree with duke of Ben.It's always best to go with b as it builds up trust with that player for example: i once had a chance to backstab a player however i didn't later i proceed to play several more ffas with the same player and the trust i gained helped me and him in the later games.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 03:23:25

JSA 
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Well I personally attempt to not make truces with players I know will backstab me (General mac, General Arun, etc.) I think relationships with other players on warlight are worth more than winning a game or even a tournament. A thing you can do is to deploy behind the lines and move up the troops when the truce is over. I always give at least one turn to my opponent before I break the truce.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 04:00:17

Jehovah 
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i dont usually play FFAs, especially not recently, but when i used to, i always made truces and alliances.
If its a large FFA game, i think making truces/alliances with most of your neighbours is a must.
If its a small FFA game, i contact all the players and try to puppet them to my advantage.
And yeah, i backstab people. After all, you play to win, not to make your opponents happy.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 04:40:55


Master Miyagi • apex 
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HA! Anyone unworthy of General Mac's Presence deserves to be backstabbed. Bow to your leader Gen Mac!
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 07:46:56


{rp} General Mac 
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I do love this debate and I love that everyone has such different opinions.

For me ultimately a FFA is a game with only one winner so any friendships, alliances etc are only there to aid in winning the game. This isn’t a “top 2 wins scenario” there's no after game flowery teas party between the top 2 so unless an agreement has been made i.e 1 turn warning then attacking your ENEMY (notice I say enemy and not ally) at anytime is fair game. For the record if i agree to terms i.e 1 turn warning then i always ALWAYS stick to this. im not a total dick ! lol

FFAs are by far my favourite type of game on Warlight and the skill of diplomacy is often over looked by a lot of warlight players

I understand that certain people like JSA (as much as I love the guy) won’t ever make an alliance with me because I’m very open about how I play, but that’s all part of the fun of diplomacy and working out who you can get on your side and help ME win

I understand that people don’t like being backstabbed it comes up all the time in games, that’s life but the reason I posted here is I just couldn’t believe that people still think that an alliance should be honored when there are only 2 people left!! I mean come on, should i just sit there and wait for my opponent to get in a better position to attack me? After all that is all he is doing now there is 2 of us

Yes the game in question was against Motocross and ill post it after it has finished if Motocross doesn’t mind. Most if not all of our chat happened in private so there isn’t much to see there but it might be fun to view the game

@ ps....why would I want to stop playing FFAs without diplomacy cards...wheres the fun in that

@Ironheart... your answer actually made me laugh out loud you are the king of doing whatever it takes to win without any care for your opponents
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 08:34:20


Moros 
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I'd stack armies on the border but not attack, and send a private message saying I attack next turn.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/13/2013 17:48:09


Ironheart
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I am sorry but that title belongs to you general mac or general arun, i avoid as much as possible allying with you or general arun(why is it always the generals) because you guys are the kings of doing what you want to win.Now if i was to ask for example of when i did this you will probably bring that one mistake i did once in THE EUROPE MAP BY OTTAMAN BUT BESIDES THAT YOU GOT NOTHING.Sorry about caps too lazy to rewrite normally.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/14/2013 07:55:10


{rp} General Mac 
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Yes true Ironheart, i should stop giving you a hard time for mistakes that you made over a year ago now, to be fair i havent played with you for ages so i should give you credit.

i do very much agree with what you said about trust lasting more than one game. if you lost trust in one game you have to work bloody hard to regain it in the next game. So in that second game you have to decide, is it worth trying to build back the relationship? well that goes on a person by person basis

what you have to realise also is that only a very small proportion of my games end in a backstab. its not something i go out of my way to do. most games have a turn warning agreed. its just that in some cases in some games against certain people to me it makes perfect sense :)
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/14/2013 17:35:13


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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It's kinda annoying to see Ironheart preach about not backstabbing when he's just as bad as he makes "the generals" to be.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/15/2013 05:06:39


Red Menace
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C) Go to the other player's house and kiddnap him.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/15/2013 05:11:03


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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¨General Mac BACKSTABBED ME IN A season X 4 player FFA. He accepted the players surrender and it was just me and him and the turn he accept the players surrender he ATTACKS me with no notice (we were allies) just so he could win the game.¨

This made me lol. He attacked you JUST so he could win the game? I think that´s a damn good reason to backstab you! In any case, if it´s just you and him, what did you expect would happen? A 5 turn long disco to celebrate?

In a more general view, backstabbing is fine and nothing to moan about. Chalk the player up to a traitor and don´t ally with them again unless you really have to. It makes me giggle when people take things so personally.

Besides, attacking your ally´s territory is only one way to betray your ally. I am sure even the most ´honourable´ of Warlight player´s have betrayed his oh-so-beloved ally in other ways. Stacking up hidden armies, arranging to have an advantage for when the alliance breaks down, engaging in diplomacy with his enemies and competing with them for bonuses are all acts of dishonour and betrayal.

You should never, ever betray your ally. Knit them a hat and surrender like a true Warlighter of Honour.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/15/2013 14:48:21


Ironheart
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I don't know what i could have done to wrong you frankdeslimte.apex however i hope you haven't taken it seriously.
An age old debate about when alliances end: 8/15/2013 17:44:09


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Ironheart there is a specific example, but that's irrelevant. Discord's post illustrated what I meant.

I am sure even the most ´honourable´ of Warlight player´s have betrayed his oh-so-beloved ally in other ways.
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