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Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 14:57:57


InspektorS 
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Hi ladd(er)s,

Recently I wrote on the second Nations Cup thread:
"Its official. The appeal and the fame of the Nations Cup contributed to the come back of one of the WL legends - Zaeban. As far as I know, he is rusty and out of shape, and was reluctant to come back, but eventually he decided to help the friends lacking a player in the team.
So some of you who wanna measure with one of the best WL players or who yearn for a long-time denied revenge soon will have a chance."

I searched the forum for the best WL players or legends and I didn't find an answer to the following question: who are the players who have spent most CONSECUTIVE weeks as n.1 on the 1vs1 Ladder?
As far as I follow the WL there were Impaler and Zaeban, then I saw a guy named Unknownsoldier for some time.
Fizzer do you have statistics on this? Who and for how long was n.1 without interruptions? You guys know any other WL legends in these terms?
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 15:24:11

Jehovah 
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Ladder #1 doesnt mean you are the best
some people choose not to play the ladder, like me.

I'm the best player on WL.

Period.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 16:53:57


Mostly Harmless 
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Someone did an analysis once on who held the top spot the longest. I cannot seem to find that thread though. Besides, it was made when Niko was #1 (I think), so it's not been updated in a while.


The Impaller held the top spot almost uninterrupted for over a year. Afterwards Zaeban, than Gui had long streaks. Followed by unknownsoldier.
Perhaps Szeweningen has the longest streak after that, but I'm not so sure. I lost track quickly after I quit the ladder myself.

Now for another question: how many #1s have there been in total now? The list should be a lot longer now with half of Apex added.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 18:21:18


Ace Windu 
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Impaller is the best ever, no question.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 20:45:04


Timinator • apex 
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i somehow doubt the impaller is good on other settings than strat 1v1 ME
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/8/2013 20:51:35


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Aranka
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/9/2013 21:08:16


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Didn't the Impaller play with slightly different Strategic 1v1 settings?

Also, after 2 or 3 years, I believe other players (Sze, Gui, among others) would have improved and played enough to challenge the Impaller (and beat her, even if she carried on playing and didn't quit for a long time).
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 10:39:42


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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wait wait wait.. hold on... TheImpaller was a she???? not that it matters, but i always thought its a dude...
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 10:46:10

Qi 
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银爬罗是男的。阿润在胡说而已
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 10:55:08

Jehovah 
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terrible names, gui,

whos 阿润?
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 11:23:48

Qi 
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婆色衣,他们的名字都很好
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 11:38:23


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Fridge yeah, The Impaller was the most famous female player (not you Aranka, go away :P).
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 13:58:20

The Duke of Ben 
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I've heard both male and female for The Impaler, and also that he pretended to be a girl once as a joke. The pink color probably lends itself to the confusion.

As for best ever, The Impaler may have been that once, and helped invent most of the techniques that are currently the keys to winning, but he's no the best by a long shot. Too many people learned what he figured out and improved on other parts of the game. The last time he tried the ladder, he made it into the 1800s before giving up.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 14:03:07

JSA 
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http://warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=141

The Impaller held the top spot for only about 5 months straight(including a week vacation in the middle).

He had the longest streak of any player in the game at #1 but when he came back from retirement, he reached about 2,000 and was in 4th place, but couldn't get to the top again.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 15:15:25

Qi 
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impaller = guy. how do i know? i talked with him a bit about the game and about rejoining the ladder at the same time when we did. i was hoping we could have a game or so on the ladder, but he quit before i got ranked. then i quit once i lost the top spot.

there is a double psychological effect of getting a high rating atop the ladder. once you get to #1, you feel like you accomplished your goal. and if your rating is stable for a while at 2150+, you have trouble accepting anything less than 2100, since one loss drops you 50+.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 15:19:43

Qi 
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...and for impaller, i think the psychological effect was similar. he was so used to being #1 that when he returned and lost a few games (rusty? better competition?), i think he felt that he lost the top spot in a different way and just decided to quit.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 15:45:10


Ace Windu 
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Tim, the Impaller was a very good all round player. Warlight skills are pretty transferrable.

Impaller is the best ever because he held the top spot for longer than anyone else. He held the top spot against top quality players like Teddy and Blue Precision and Bostonfred.
Newer players seem to doubt the quality of players that used to play the game but then conveniently forget how long HHH has been around or Blue Precision. Maybe Teddy coming back to land straight in at no.1 will make them reconsider.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 15:53:42

Qi 
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i agree. impaller could easily come back and get to #1. he'd have to knock some rust off. but it wouldnt take more than 20 games. i dont think he did that last time.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 16:05:20

JSA 
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I on the other hand don't think he could do it that easily. He might be able to take #1 but holding it and dominating like he did? I doubt it. Too much competition nowadays. And if he was a very good all-around player, why did he never take first on the 2v2 ladder? If he is taht good at 1v1, he should have taken first on 2v2 too since ladder 2v2 is similar to 1v1, granted there are differences. I am sure Teddy and Heyheuhei and Blue Precision have slightly improved over the period of a year and a half since they have all played games since then. The Impaller has not grown in his gameplay at all and while I think he would be a very good player, I can't see him being able to dominate. But that's just my theory, there's no way to prove it or disprove it without him coming back.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 16:50:39


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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I agree with JSA. I think the competition now is a lot stronger than during the Impaller's reign of terror. Teddy returning after so long is also very interesting. That is a real achievement IMO, and with practice I expect Teddy to be capable of holding 1 for a very long time, possibly becoming one of the best all time greats.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 17:39:55


Ace Windu 
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JSA, I'm not sure what anything you've said is based on. Imp's strength was obviously 1v1 but he got to second on the 2v2 ladder with one partner and 3rd with another.

Why do you think Teddy is better now than he was before? Or HHH? You love to say that you could get to the top of the ladder if only you could concentrate. Now, given the power of concentration, how can you assume the strength of any player at any time, especially players who played before you had even joined the site, when this powerful variable is completely unknowable.

Also, please tell me more about Impaller's gameplay. I would love to hear about it from someone who has never played him.

And Arun, Teddy was already one of the best ever. Also, I don't know how you know anything about the strength of players now in comparison to any other time on the site considering your own rating.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 17:50:25

JSA 
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Ace, I think they are better than before because they have played so many games since that time. Are you telling me you no longer improve after your games? And focus is a big thing on the ladder, I don't think it was as much back then. Why? There were about 5 very good players on the ladder back then, now there are 15+.

I have watched his ladder games from when he played, I feel like you can learn nearly as much about a player by watching 10 of their games compared to playing them 10 times.

And with Teddy, gotta agree with you there. He was nearly unstoppable when he disappeared and he's still very good, no doubt about it.

Like I said, this can't be proven or disproven without the Impaller coming back.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 18:06:54


Ace Windu 
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Yes JSA, I'm saying I don't really improve. I am in fact a worse player than I was before. At a certain stage you plateau and if you don't keep playing you can become a worse. This should be obvious. Just playing more games does not make you a better player.

Again with the "focus", this malleable concept that allows you to simultaneously claim you "could" be number one while also giving yourself a pat on the back because it's apparently harder now than before.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/10/2013 18:18:09

JSA 
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In my opinion, you can always be better at a game like warlight. There's always ways to do things just a little bit better. Just when you think you know everything there is to know, you get beat by a completely unexpected thing. It's the way warlight is. After games, many players realize what they did wrong and try to not do it again. I feel liek that makes you a better player.

You've been hearing too much of Pulsey I'm afraid. Giving myself a pat on the back in what way? I say nothing about my skill in this thread, yet you bring it in anyway. I've always thought you were a decent guy but saying stuff about me that is completely unrelated to the topic is out of line.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/11/2013 08:12:02


InspektorS 
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Thank you Veelvraat. Based on your answer which I think is sufficiently accurate, we have kind of an unofficial list of legends.

@Fizzer: I think it would be nice if there is an official "Book of legends", containing not only the category of "longest time n.1", but also other interesting achievements: players who reached n.1 position, players with most rating points, rookie of the year, biggest come-back etc. I think it creates tradition and fame around the game on one side, while on the other hand it will surely be a satisfaction for the great players who dedicated many hours to the WL, and will also be a target to reach for the new players.
I will post this message also on the appropriate ladder thread.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/11/2013 14:34:36


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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I also think that by playing more games you will improve. Like the 10 000 hour rule in cricket, the closer you get to that mark, the better you become. After that mark (which here, will be a very long time away I think even for the best on this site as there are so many different variables - after playing so much you will know how to react perfectly to anything an opponent can throw at you).
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/12/2013 21:54:25


Mostly Harmless 
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You're welcome Sava! I like your idea of a hall of fame on the site.

The recent addition of trophies to the site is already a way of recognizing great achievements. Only downside to this system is that there's no list available, so it's not easy for newer players to find out who earned a trophy in the past.
Best WL n.1 players?: 8/20/2013 05:11:25


Polaris 
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Honestly, Imp was incredible at times. Then there were games and even whole RR tournies in which he either wasn't entirely attached to the idea of winning or he just could meld well to the variety of player(s) he was up against.

However, a lot of his wins can fairly be attributed to the wow factor that was often attached to his hip. Even years ago just about every top 1 vs 1 player was nervous to take him on. Nerves being razzled can cause a plethora of interesting side effects to a person's decision making skills. Especially when they turns often take close to three days a piece.

I don't feel like checking, but I think I'm 1-2 with him overall. Maybe more cause I can think of at least three tournament games in which we played, let alone ladder which I'm sure I was unlucky enough to draw him a time or two.
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