To me, WarLight has always been about a bit of luck, just like Risk or other strategy games.

That's bad news to me.

Also, this is much harder for new people. Oh well.

So, in a multi-day game, to minimize nominal thinking time, open the game with an alt before clicking "begin" as you will presumably see the warlords. After you have decided your picks, login with your main account and commit them.

In case you don't want to have 1st pick, join fast and wait for longer than your opponent. Extend waiting time with a few vacations if necessary.

i really hope that work-around isn't technically possible :x

Maybe it is just too much fuss about just one option.

So if it will be problematic, i will just don't join games with no/luck cyclic order.

There is always lot of games going :)

And 0% luck is better than 75%. Although i prefer some randomness in game.

wrong account, Odin? ;)

What are you implying Pulsey??

So, any thought on the new "no-luck" policy? Personally for me it's a great change that will influence Warlight long-term, since it'll mostly affect newer players and push them towards competetive gaming

Yep, that's part of the goal!

The main goal of the no-luck cyclic move order is to be able to play WarLight games that have no randomness at all.

With cyclic move order, there's only one random roll throughout the entire game: who goes first on the first turn. It's basically on par with Chess in terms of luck (in Chess there's still randomness in who goes first).

For a not-yet-disclosed 3.0 feature, we need to have games with no randomness at all and no influence from outside of the game (i.e. ladder rating can't be used, etc.). This was the best way I could come up with, but I'm open to suggestions if anyone has a better idea.

So, in a multi-day game, to minimize nominal thinking time, open the game with an alt before clicking "begin" as you will presumably see the warlords. After you have decided your picks, login with your main account and commit them.

You're right this is a flaw with the current implementation. This can easily be fixed though by just not letting spectators see the game until all players have clicked begin.

Like in chess playres know what color they play, the same way warlight game can inform players (on stage of starting picking) what start bonus they got: 1) first pick. or 2) first turn. In this case luck will be minimized, because players will be prepared beforehand.

I agree, it'd be easier if we just had cyclic order with an information about first pik given immediately after picking stage.

For a not-yet-disclosed 3.0 feature, we need to have games with no randomness at all and no influence from outside of the game

Oh, please, please let it be playing warlight for cash stakes :)

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Removing luck by default streamlines the game somewhat, making it easier for new players to wrap their head around it. This streamlining(probably not the correct word) also aligns with the more hardcore playerbase so this is all-good, all-around.

We're really " lucky " to have zero-luck standard games...

baDUMtsss....

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Fizzer shouldn't have to say this a million times (sorry if I am overreacting)
In the US, it is illegal to have online gambling (and child gambling), in certain states (and everywhere,respectively). Putting in the regulation would be a hassle, and as such, Fizzer won't ever put gambling in.

And based on the number of alcoholics revealed in the "Stoptober", it's probably for the better

@Fizzer,Although, I can't wait for the Warlight 3.0,the "Investor" business isn't my cup of tea. Who knows who the investor is ON THE INSIDE (he might be as evil as Romney). And now you're a corporation, imagine the hell (and privileges). This is going to be a great undertaking, and I hope that I can support you, but I am not sure

evil as Romney

Does this mean new accounts will start with 0% luck and cyclic move order unlocked and will have to work to unlock 75% luck and random move order, or is just that from now on games will default to 0% and cyclic, meaning new accounts will already have the full range unlocked?

I have always been a big fan of low luck games(luck modifier 0%, straight round, cyclic move order, manual distribution) and therefore i like the change that the Randomness is now off by default.


How i have understands it, The no-luck cyclic move order is not solving the randomness in when players choose the same startplaces.
So, the only way to play with no randomness at all, is when you have play on a map with two halves that are equal to each other and where the startplaces are also equal to each other. (just like a chess board.)

For me, the picking stage is half of the fun, so i dont think i will play much games like that.

I will also avoid no-luck cyclic move order, the "Whoever plays fastest will be placed 1st in the first move order" will only make the picking phase more frustrating and will probably result in a slower start.

I like the idea of no-luck cyclic move order in a real time game with honest players. Probably not a good idea in multiday... I think the typical cycle move order is better generally.

I remember posting ages ago about a map with fixed equal starts. I was hoping to strategies to evolve over time like chess.

Gone off this idea a bit now though because i just don't think there is enough variation in warlight. I imagine a competetative scene working out the best strategies pretty quickly. It would have to be a very clever map/set up where every strategy had at least one counter.

I guess id still quite like to see this happen. At least until the community found the best strategy.

eww, I bet qwed voted for Obama :p

Personally I like the changes. Though as Green said I would really like to see an option between cyclical and random move order...my weighted option. So it would have some luck involved but you would hopefully not have someone keep getting first move on you.

I really like this a lot though because I think the biggest problem is so many people playing bad templates to start out they don't learn.

@his balls - there was already some attempts for this. Like:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=9375

or

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=11395