Arun, though I am annoyed that REGL was dropped to Group B, there is no way Relite should be anywhere except for Group A, if not they won't play or put any effort into it...

What I can't understand is why it's so important to favor a particular clan, as if this tourney won't mean anything unless Relite graces it with their presence. What the heck? I mean in the end this is JSA's thing and he will do what he wants, but I think it's silly to give any particular clan favoritism.

As for the promotion/relegation nature of the tourney, at first I was annoyed about the idea but as I think about it I like it more and more. Just keep the groups small enough that each season will take no longer than Chokecherry's promotion/relegation league, and have at least 2 clans promoted/relegated each season. That way if someone has to start at the bottom it won't be so painful.

As for BR, I would be really interested in seeing how they do. I hope they'll get to play in this league.

it would take longer, because of the 3v3's and the 2v2's

I think Pushover the main problem for Apex and WM here in the case they didn't allow a wild card for Relite to enter team A is that even if they manage to win this season questions will still remain "WHAT IF"
Now all 3 clans possibly have chances at the start to win group A and WM and Apex (if Relite is not included in team A) will fight for that, but at the end can't really say that by this tourney it has been proven that they are indeed the best.

Are Relite in the same league as WM and apex? When did that happen? I cant think of any particularly good relite players.

Aranka - the prediction of you (you as a person, not as a clan) bragging about WMs or apexes beiing "afraid" of your clan is the MAIN reason why i think you should get the wildcard. We are fine with winning, we are fine with losing as long as it's fun time playing. This is just an internet game and you seem to forget it. Stop acting like a narcissistic child. If not your annoying pose lately, i would be against the idea of you jumping right into the top group since technically you are a new clan, with heritage of a clan that due some circumstances ended up near the far bottom of the ranking and i find it NOT fair that you would get higher "just because" you are one of the top clans. Nobody cares in promotion/relegation league if you're ladder #1 or #81. It should be the same thing here - You should start from the bottom and in no time join group A because you have enough skill to do it. No doubt about it. so once again - Yes. i do find the idea of wildcard unfair to other competitors. but..

For the sake of good competition as you indeed are one of the top clans, and it would be a waste of time for you to go from the very bottom, and to cut down your stupid remarks, I believe you should get it and start from group A.

Are Relite in the same league as WM and apex? When did that happen? I cant think of any particularly good relite players.

The head to head challenge of Relite against WM seems to indicate otherwise

If it was not for szeweningen's reduced activity on here the WM vs Relite challenge would already be finished in favour of Relite. It's 6-3 now in favour of Relite and the remaining 2vs2 and 3vs3 games seem to be even/in favour of Relite.

Furthermore Malamute, it wouldn't hurt for you to actually read what I said.
Nowhere did I say Relite would beat Apex and WM regardless, but just that it was an option which couldn't be discounted (probability is more then 5%).
Where you also got the notion from of being afraid also eludes me. I stated that clans do clan tournies like this partly for reputation too.
The essence of my argument was just that "What value is winning a tourney if the title can still be contentended by what if's ??"

Finally I would like to say that where all of you guys presume we WANT to go to team A, we're not so certain ourselves.
Right now the majority of Relite players agree that we do NOT want special treatment and thus would be oke in starting in team C, but not all players have voted yet.

The head to head challenge of Relite against WM seems to indicate otherwise

Really? Did one of our guys get themselves booted or something? I hope I won any 1v1s I played for that challenge. i've played with plenty or relites and they mostly arent great.

Um, I was away for some time, so I might be missing something, but why you say ♦ ɌeLite ♦ is top 3 (or top X) clan? Because of Ladder scores? Because some people say so?
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to offend ♦ ɌeLite ♦, or disagree with that statement, just curious about it.

And that's the reason I think they should start in group C, how can you prove right now they are better than all clans from group B and C? This League is the first event which compare the clans, much more reliably than anything else. Saying right now they are better than some of the top 7 clans from 2nd clan league (and therefore they should be in group A) is kind of insult imo.

In Promotion/Relegation League no one start in Group A, and no one is surprised about it. Everyone start at the bottom, and they can prove how good they are by advancing fast / undefeated.
The season should be much shorter now, so it's not a big deal to start at the bottom, having just 3 groups.

Widzisz, though I am not going to say Relite are best clan on warlight, or even best 3 for certain, I believe it is safe to say that they are better than REGL, who would be in Group A otherwise, also Group C is made up of players who stopped playing and all got booted, you can check the tournament links if you wish, which would mean good players from Relite would be playing {RING}, who i don't think are active any-more. IT wouldn't challenge their players, who won't try or might not even play because of the nature of the matches...

The head to head challenge of Relite against WM seems to indicate otherwise


Really? Did one of our guys get themselves booted or something? I hope I won any 1v1s I played for that challenge. i've played with plenty or relites and they mostly arent great.

And that Piggy is EXACTLY why Relite might make a good chance in this tourney.
Total amount of points to be gained in 1vs1 = 4
Total amount of points to be gained in 2vs2 + 3vs3 = 4 + 3= 7

You go ahead being a "master race" but aside from szeweningen + gnuffone and maybe idfdoggy + some less active players I don't think the "master race" will do so well in those settings

[REGL] *hedja* {CS}, you are missing my point:

I believe it is safe to say that they are better than REGL

Why? Do you have any proof?
Your beliefs / opinions are not an evidence, even though you are in REGL. Head to head results, or clan challenge are also not reliable, or at least not as reliable as this league. And I suppose few clans will join this league, so group C won't be made of inactive clans only. Inactive clans won't even join it I guess.

I presume that conclusion was based on this game:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=3877625

I agree with Widszisz though that one head to head challenge doesn't say a lot, but the playstyle and/or teamplay involved do say something

I really dont know why there is anything to discuss here. Lets go Group C like any new clan would have to do. I me myself dont give a damn in what group we start.

Yep. Please add us to group C.

don't be ridicoulus. put relite on group A. they are at least on top 5 (they are on top 3 imho)

Aranka, in no way was I basing Relite off a 5vs5 match on Quad Earth with those settings.

However after seeing Relite players in tournaments and in ladders (they are solidly holding the number 1 spot in 2vs2). It is also a known fact after the WM clan challenge that Relite can give arguably the best clan in WL a run for their money. It might have been a bad day for WM, but still shows there is skill in Relite.

It seems to me this is kinda split between people who want Relite in Group A and people who want Relite in Group C. I think Relite should be in Group A just because they have done better than anybody on the 1v1 ladder except for Apex, [WM], and [WG], and on the 2v2 ladder they have done better than everybody except Apex and [WM]. I have a hard time keeping them out of the top league because they are easily top 5 in my opinion. I can understand why some people want to put them in Group C but I think it would be a shame to see them dominate all of those clans. So what about we do a vote and decide it that way? I vote for Relite to be in Group A. From now on, if some people think a new clan should be in Group A, we can take a vote on it and they have the chance to make it then.

I vote for them.

Dammit i forgot to say be to in Group A, sorry for double post

if you want to settle such things by polls.. i vote for A.