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The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 08:15:39


[WM] Gnuffone 
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if you look 1v1 ladder, you can see that in last 6/7 month Wm and apex have monopolized top 5.
if you look 2v2 ladder, you can see now ReLite clan 1st (ciekiu+jupiter), and you can remember WM team artham+nord and me+sze tale 1st/2nd place for some time.
Dunga with hhh take it too, and apex team make same (luxis+frank) and frank take 2 times 1st place (other with oliebol)

I'm sure that this shows how being in a clan helps a lot to improve.
Only old player like Gui myhand zibik dunga can compete with strong clan, new player without clan can't became so good IMHO.

gnuffone.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 08:16:35


[WM] Gnuffone 
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i missed after "dunga" etc. , there are some more old player strong.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 08:21:35


Vanellope von Schweetz 
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Nobody can compete with the clans.
... except for those without a clan that are strong enough to compete.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 08:23:11

Jehovah 
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a lot of people improve on their own :P
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 09:23:32

Qi 
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Go clans! Oh baby!
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 09:32:22


szeweningen 
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You will soon have that on econometry Gnuff... correlation does not imply causation.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 10:48:42


[WG] Warlightvet 
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eeyore got it right XD
i think the fact is that most people who are good play a lot and so are part of a clan
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 12:14:35

Qi 
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anyone want to join my clan? it is called Q. i am Qi. you can be Qa, Qb, Qc, etc. i have 25 openings in the english alphabet. then, we will start using other alphabets.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 12:44:14


Qu
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24.

So, what does the clan do? Shall we have a clan tournament now, new friend?
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 13:07:08

Qi 
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Yes, Qu. A Q clan tournament will be great.

Q vs Relite.

Q vs Apex.

Q vs WM.

They are all so good. But they have never played Q Clan! (Also known as The Qlan)
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 13:49:38

Jehovah 
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join mine.

ku kidx klan > Qlan
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 13:50:47

Jehovah 
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qu, i dont thin aranka would like that picture being posted online. :P
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/8/2013 14:32:45


powerpos
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is our community so unfriendly that one cannot get feedback on his/her playing-style without being in a clan ?
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 03:51:05


Aranka 
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qu, i dont thin aranka would like that picture being posted online. :P


Says the little prick.

Btw, just out of curiousity - how does it feel licking Qu and others like that ?
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 05:57:33

Qi 
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join this to see which 'clan' is best: http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=5877
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 11:27:41


Pink 
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abd billy walsh can also defeat them, binldfolded
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 14:15:05

The Duke of Ben 
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Gnuffone, can you provide a mechanism by which clans control the ability to learn the game? Are you saying that most of the good teachers have moved to clans? Are you saying that people in clans will not teach people outside of clans?

It seems to me that a sharp mind and playing a large number of games are the two biggest factors in learning the game. A good teacher can help you get around playing a bunch of games, but you still need to play enough to think out moves yourself.

To me, it looks like a strong majority of the best players got good while not in a clan, WM included. In fact, access to the best clans seems restricted to people who are already good, so your position seems counter-factural from the start.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 14:52:48


[WM] Gnuffone 
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You are partly right.

To me, it looks like a strong majority of the best players got good while not in a clan, WM included. In fact, access to the best clans seems restricted to people who are already good, so your position seems counter-factural from the start.


when i joined WM 1 years ago, i was only decent/almost good (i was really bad on 1v1s, specialist of Eu map, decent/almost good on teamgames)
On past month i play a lot of tourney with WM-mate, and they help me to learn more, they help me to understand how pick/move/predict opponent.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 14:55:53


[WM] Gnuffone 
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also i don't agree on this.

It seems to me that a sharp mind and playing a large number of games are the two biggest factors in learning the game


nope, if you play 5000 games you are not good for sure. the two things are not connected. is better play 100 games with really high prerequisites (60% in 1v1s and 3v3s and +700 games are good as requisites) then 1000 vs average player.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 16:32:10

Jehovah 
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is better play 100 games with really high prerequisites (60% in 1v1s and 3v3s and +700 games are good as requisites) then 1000 vs average player.'

not really. i realized that all the people who have the really nice ladder ranks and profiles all play similarly. playing 1000 games means you get to play against all types of style., which is more fun and also makes you more experienced.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 17:08:22


[WM] Gnuffone 
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i realized that all the people who have the really nice ladder ranks and profiles all play similarly. playing 1000 games means you get to play against all types of style., which is more fun and also makes you more experienced.


i play both situation, but with 1000 games vs average i don't learn much.
the games vs strong player are the better for improve.
Also i don't found "funny" win easy match vs average player, no point for play it, is a waste of time.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 17:10:18


[WM] Gnuffone 
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btw after i play 1000 games around with great stats like 85% (i ge it ONLY vs random enemy), as soon as i played first game with high requisites like hhh 55% games, i get destroyed, Always a weight for team.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 18:08:38


Ironheart
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Yep but competitive clans are better for improving but you have to show them some skill in order to get the opportunity to improve which is bad since if random player that was bad was given as much opportunity as good players to improve.
My point is good clans help the people that can improve on their own and don't help people that don't know how to improve on their own.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 18:29:03


ChrisCMU 
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That is only partially true. I have helped plenty of bad players on my own, and there are many players from other clans that have done the same on here. but they have to ask for that help. If they don't show the initiative then they probably don't really want to improve.

And yes, we only select people that show promise. Nobody in WG has the time to help dozens of people only to find out they will never be good. And I can attest that I have learned a lot from clan mates. I could have learned that from other good players, but clan mates are more willing to help I think because you being a better player helps them as well.

On the other hand, I take every opportunity to play with good players regardless of what clan they are in or if they are in a clan at all. Even if they don't actively get tips, I learn from them by observing.

WG has performed pretty well on the ladders too (though not to the level of WM and apex). We've had 2-3 players near the top of the seasonal ladders, JSA was #2 on 1v1 and his 2v2 team was also (can't remember but I think it was Warlightvet). Summer and Ineffable have been in top 10 on 1v1 I think, Warlightvet close to that. A few of us are/have been in top 10 on 2v2 for a while.
The importance to be part of a clan: 5/9/2013 19:16:46

The Duke of Ben 
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Gnuff, I agree that playing a bunch of games is not enough, but I also included "has a sharp mind" as a prerequisite. I still don't see your original point very clearly, since there are a large number of good to very good players without a clan. Historically the top 10 1v1 has been dominated by people without a clan tag, and I'm not sure what lesson we are supposed to get from the people already on there joining clans more often, or non-clanned people dropping from the ladder.
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