Burgoo - naah - I just coulsdn't sleep but writing this worked miraculously like a lullaby.. ;)

idfdoggy, when you were in Warlighters I agree, not many improved greatly from just that clan. However, Warlighters has changed a lot since then and players are improving (e.g. people go to Lighters then after a couple of months get good enough to join Warlighters).

Crap, just realised you're fridge not doggy :/ I thought you were idf doggy because of your name :/

@Arun - I am not idfdoggy and if you would bother to read what i wrote with understanding, you would realize that I have not been to any clan before WM as i clearly stated in my posts so i simply cannot be him. My fellow clanmate idfdoggy, now part of WM for a few months already, was in warlighters a long time ago - true, but i doubt his skill has anything to do with playing with your clan especially when if you look closer at his profile you will realize that between being in {w} and advancing to [WM] he was searching for a proper clan adn joined some others. BTW I do see your clan has come a long way since, but it's still nowhere near to any elitist clans, and improving from {lighter} to {warlighters} is NO acomplishment whatsoever given the fact {w} has introduced recruitment minima, which are so low, that practically everyone who is not retarded and at least 12yo after 50 games would meet (and as much as 50 just because as far as i know that is the minimum games played stat you accept). I would dare to say that taking as long as COUPLE OF MONTHS to improve from {l} to {w} is a failure. I bet i could succesfully teach to improve any {lighter} to {warlighter} level in less than a week, if not in 1,2 or 3 games provided he would be willing to learn and would understand english. The fact you have had a few good players like Warlightvet (in [WG] now because {w} was just not good enough i guess.. ) and bragging about having some multiaccounts of better players in clan doesn't change the fact of what the nature of your clan is. I bet those multis joined your clan for one of four reasons: 1) because of sentiment, maybe that was their first account 2) as a joke 3) to play more easy games for relax or my favourite (and i really hope it's the case) 4) to finally help you improve your members' gameplay, because say what you want, but after all warlight is an online GAME, so PLAYING the game is or at least should be the main thing.. If there was any other reason, this player(s) would not try to hide themselves and would at least admit they are in {w}. What point to have a clan in a game you can't play on a reasonable level? You are not elitist, nor have ever been, and the average skill of a {w} is far below average and I say it once again: instead of bragging about how you changed over the last few years, you should work harder on improving the clan itself. Or if you don't aim for higher skill of your members, just stop your petty attempts on stating that your players are good, because it's a blatant lie and you know it. You could instead write on forum other advantages of {warlighters} like how much your clan is active etc (which is true - you are active in many tournaments and interclan events that you or other {w}s organize for lower tier clans - you have some other advantages as well, but please - i'm not going to think for you and advertise your clan..) and you should be trying your best to avoid some statements and leave skill as far away from the discussion as possible, because neither admitting you are (like) beginners nor lying about being opposite simply does not do you any good.

and yes, I am calm even though sometimes my posts may sound different :)

yes, I have not divided this into paragraphs on purpose - to force Arun's head work a little bit harder while reading it.

RIP to RSP.

I never said we are elitist :) I never said idf doggy was good because of us (quite the opposite). Our average skill level is above average; when our best were pitted against REGL's best, it was a close competition (which ended last week). We are doing fairly well in the Clan league. Warlightvet is still a member of the Clan of Warlighters (he is even Second-in -Command). He mentioned our single multi as a joke (he is no longer with us anyway). Our members do improve as they play and we enjoy ourselves doing it; what's not to like. Some of our better members agree to tutor others, helping them improve. The reason Lighters take 20 days minimum to change is because thats the shortest time allowed in order for them to change their names!

May I ask why you took the time to attack our clan so vigorously? I did nothing to offend you or your clan....

Fridge; many of your points are baseless or completely wrong. Next time take the time to check what was actually written and to get your facts straight :/

Sorry for multiposts but i feel any clan that has a bad rep should just rename itself much like how elite changed to relite after all there are certain thread about the old elite and beelzebub the old leader. Warlighters(stupid unoriginal name since we are all warlighters) should change to something like Warkings {Wk} or something esle.

Sorry for multiposts but i feel any clan that has a bad rep should just rename itself much like how elite changed to relite after all there are certain thread about the old elite and beelzebub the old leader.

I would like to state once again that our "bad reputation" was not the primary reason for us to change the name.
You might say bad but I'm pretty sure that the bad reputation was mostly due to the arrogant attitude of some of it's members and not purely on the fact that people deemed us weak players.

The reason we changed our name in fact was due to internal affairs and the splitting up with the old leaders (Beelze and such).
Since the ones who had originally invented the name and run the alliance were gone, it just made sense to not keep the same old name but to get a new one.

I'm pretty sure that the bad reputation was mostly due to the arrogant attitude of some of it's members

how times have changed.

I'm the exception to the rule X-apex

I thought you knew that (A) :)

You're exceptional in many ways, Aranka.

A: I never said we are elitist :) (...) Our average skill level is above average;

ok ok ok but you continue to state you are above average which you are not. the fact that you can gather a team of few average/above average players from top {w} players for a few games does not make you above average in terms of whole clan compared to whole WL community.

A: I never said idf doggy was good because of us (quite the opposite).

Ok. sorry. In this case treat that part of my post as "I doubt any {lighter} or {warlighter} can improve to any reasonable skill level only by turoring he gets inside the clan".. then ok, you may say you have one or two willing to teach who got some eperience in games, but let's be serious for a second: how many "students" can one tutor efficiently teach?

A: Warlightvet is still a member of the Clan of Warlighters (he is even Second-in -Command).

Didn't know that, but still - obviously - your clan is NOT ENOUGH for him.. He did not feel his expectations were fulfilled.. so it's a good example how well suited your clan is for above average players.. At least it seems that way - sorry.

A: He mentioned our single multi as a joke (he is no longer with us anyway).

At first maybe yes, but then bragging about how good he was and so on did not sound anything like a joke. (I'm not limiting my thoughts to this single thread)

A: The reason Lighters take 20 days minimum to change is because thats the shortest time allowed in order for them to change their names!

few posts before you have SPECIFICALLY said it takes "couple of months". Last time i checked there was no month shorter than 28 days, but what the heck, times are changing.. I'm old-fashioned maybe.. Maybe facebook introduced some new awesome 10-day months or something..

A: May I ask why you took the time to attack our clan so vigorously?

First of all - sorry - I did not mean to offend you nor your clan. I just stated my thoughts about your clan and previously about clans in general... did I mean to attack you? NO. i just wanted you to stop your PR which in my opinion is just a bunch of white lies - like that vaunting about being so succesful, that only a couple of months will let you improve from {l} to {w}. When you said that - it sounded awesome, but if anyone has any idea what {l} is and what is more or less needed to join {w}, then it's just so pitiful... so I don't want people like the OP to make some bad decisions based on your deceitful claims.
And for the record - do I need your permission to write posts with my opinion on any subject? I'm sorry that we don't agree on everything. I would very much like to agree with everyone, i really would, but unfortunately it will most likely never happen.

A: I did nothing to offend you or your clan....

Should i be thankful or something?
Is there really anything you can find against WM?
Ok - maybe we are sometimes not the most subtle and/or politically correct. Anything else?

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Ironheart - I don't agree with you - {warlighters} is one of the longest running clans here, its name is perfect in its simplicity and it's continuously under General Arun's command, who is doing good so far in fulfilling his vision of what directiong should the clan go. I see no reasons why he should change the name. Comparison to #elite! -> ♦ ɌeLite ♦ transition is a bad one imho, as it was a whole different story when you think about it...

Doggy Style(or I prefer Fridge) of course I think your clan and almost every other clan (all the real ones at least) are friendly, but REGL has a reputation of being very nice and friendly (because we can`t get a reputation as topclan ;D )

I was using the Lighter-Warlighter thing as an example. I am very sure that people in our clan improve over time; this may not be purely down to Warlighters but I think the same is true for any clan. I challenge any clan that says their members improve solely down to their clan. We improve as we play more, and while we do play more with our clan; surely you play with other players too.

@[REGL]Min34 That sounds like a fat guy who isn't that good looking, so to hook up some girl need to play it all on simpaty :D

So obviously from this bitchfight we can gain two benefits of clans:

*1. A group of people to stand by you.

*2. A reason to get in to pointless arguments where everything is written with emotion and comes out as an attack against another clan.

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Seriously guys... and lady.. The past is in the past. We shouldn't be attacking the histories of clans like Relite, and we definately shouldn't be attacking other clans and putting them down. What happened to online community? That one famous president (I think Abe Lincoln) who said "United we stand, devided we fall," was on to something. Not only should the seperate clans support internally, but they should also support externally and help other player grow and better themselves. Think intermural sports vs competition sports. Same difference, right? Just playing with your friends vs playing with another team.. You still need good sportsmanship either way.
If we all took the time to make friends and help other clans instead of bashing them, it'd be so much better than it is now. Granted, I'm not saying that everyone bashes, but when you get in to fights like this, it builds grudges and grudges are never a good thing to have.

If you're only on here to fight or troll, you should seriously reconsider your life.

So, can we agree to return to existing in harmony? If you're preaching about being such a great clan and teacher, the least you could do is to be open to everyone, and be kind when they state their opinion.

(Btw, not typing a responce right away when you're angry helps a lot with these types of situations. I've been on forums for years and have watched countless sites die because of arguments like this. I know what I'm talking about.)

So.. we good? *crosses fingers*

@[REGL]Min34 That sounds like a fat guy who isn't that good looking, so to hook up some girl need to play it all on simpaty :D

Hardly ever works though.
Women are not some kind of machine where you insert nice and/or symphaty coins and a relationship (underlying sex) rolls out.
It doesn't work that way.

So ... how does it work? I'm asking for a friend.