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The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 01:18:20


szeweningen 
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Hello,

I promised it to a few people a while ago and I decided to make a thread now to scout if there is any kind of interest in an ongoing event like that.

Once 20 season ends, I quit the ladder and I reduce my game count a bit, I will start the open challenge. Basically I will be taking challenges from anyone on any reasonable settings, both 1vs1 and team games. Of course not every challenge will be accepted, so I will make a list of rules that'll be applied to every challenge:

1) General rules:
- I'll play 1vs1 and team games alone using multiaccounts if necessary
- all challenges are played real-time
- 1vs1 challenge will be played in best of 7 format
- team game challenges will be played in a best of 5 format
- all challenges are meant to be played in a single sitting if possible
- team game challenges are to be issued by different people meaning no multiaccounts for challengers (exceptions: myhandisonfire, Gui)
- team game challenges can be in 2vs2 or 3vs3 format
- challengers have to post on this thread posting teams (if necessary) and settings
- in every case I'll have to accept the settings before starting a challenge
- you can post at any time, there will be no official "line" meaning when the event starts I'll pick the challenge that seems most interesting
- after the challenge ends there will be a short summary post, if possible from challenger with result and short commentary (public analysis of high-level games is one of the main purposes)
- minimum requirements: 500 games playes, 50% win rate in 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3 games, 10% boot rate

2) Template requirements:
- all settings must be "balanced" in terms of relatively small luck involvement and control over the map (for example don't bother posting 1vs1 100% luck duel challenges)
- I will always have to validate whether or not the settings are balanced
- multi-attack is not allowed
- you have to be able to attack-only, transfer-only and attack by percentage
- other settings than normal fog are discouraged, but not banned
- all settings must include 0% luck (whether it's straight round or weighted round might matter on some settings)
- offensive and defensive kill rates shouldn't deviate from standard values by more than 10 percentage points
- bonuses should be normalised (meaning bonus's income/territory ratio shouldn't deviate much from average income/territory ratio on the map) as much as it's possible
- bonus values should never exceed number of territories minus 1 (exception: 1-territory bonuses)
- the following cards are banned: airlift, diplomacy, sanctions, reconassaince, surveilance, spy
- the following cards are discouraged (meaning it has to be taken into consideration how they affect gameplay): order priority, order delay, abandon


I think I might start first challenge in around 3-4 weeks time, so let me know if there is even demand for such an event, I'll be open for any challenge as long as its reasonable.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 05:47:51

Qi 
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I challenge you to do it.

Why not start a 1v1 Champion thread too? You be the first champ, and your reign lasts as long as you keep winning (best of 3/5/7)? That would be cool.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 06:18:13


professor dead piggy 
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I would like to see this, and offer your first official challenge, best of 7 strat 1v1.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 16:40:01


[WM] Gnuffone 
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" - team game challenges are to be issued by different people meaning no multiaccounts for challengers (exceptions: myhandisonfire, Gui) "

i want to challenge you, but on multiaccount me too for this reason:
- is an ahead, you don't need to start on ahead...
- i wont discuss with my mates and is hard found some good mate for play real-time.
- i already beat you on same setting 3 week ago : ) could be nice remake this.
i hope you accept.
obviously setting are:
Eu 3v3 Random Warlord 4 spot with 5 armies for each spot and base armies per turn 5.
no cards.
- could be interesting play 3 sze vs gui myahnd me.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 22:27:54


szeweningen 
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The Chameleon:
I am bound to lose sooner or later and I wanted to make it a long term challenge for myself, so maybe someone else might try king of the hill type of challenge

Piggy:
Good as long as it's 0% luck not 16%.

Gnuff:
Make a team. And replying to what you said, playing WITH teammates is not a handicap.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 22:46:19


ps 
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sze:
i challenge you on Big Poland 3vs3
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TemplateID=241927
need to confirm team mates
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 22:56:38


szeweningen 
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Yeah, ps you did not even bother to read what I wrote, did you?

1st 2 picks on full distribution is out of the question, definitely not enough and full distribution on Poland is competetively worse than any type of warlords + airlift and diplomacy cards are not allowed + reinforcement card might be a bit overpowered etc.

Please read the rules before you make a challenge.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 23:02:02


ps 
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yeah, didnt read the wall, only the highlights.

well, if you can't play outside your little comfort zone then i withdraw the challenge. have fun!
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/26/2013 23:57:39


szeweningen 
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Seriously? Little comfort zone? You really don't get why your settings are bad in terms of competetive play?
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/27/2013 00:42:31


ps 
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yes, i think the template is decently balanced for competitive 3vs3 play.

i played it quite a few times and i disagree with your horror shock view on the full distribution. since you are limited on the number of picks you have to focus on capitals or early cities combos, and big poland is all about expansion so in this picking scenario your team has to cover the map well. the cards are seldom available and to me they make sense to help counter early 2vs1 and add extra strategy, plus they allow some more scare tactics. i understand why you don't like them though. i thought you wanted to be challenged? but like you mentioned i didn't read the part that it had to be under your safe zone, i wouldn't have proposed it if i had, so i retract it.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/27/2013 18:45:16


hedja 
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I am prepared to play a best of 7 strategic turkey, just change luck to 0% weighted instead of 16%.

Problem with this is that you might find it hard to find a time when 2 players are online to play 7 matches in a row.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/27/2013 19:22:51


szeweningen 
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Strategic turkey means strat 1vs1 settings on turkey os sth else? Unless it's strat 1vs1 please post settings so I am certain I know what they are.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 08:06:55


Aranka 
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Problem with this is that you might find it hard to find a time when 2 players are online to play 7 matches in a row.


You forget sweningen is online almost all the time :)
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 18:14:26


hedja 
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http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=3484

Here is the tournament that is being played, I couldn't find a link for the template, but the settings are there. And essentially it is strategic settings on turkey, different cards because of how the bonuses are set, you will need to check the card settings to best prepare your strategy.

@aranka
maybe almost, but most players are not that active, maybe people will have to play 2 at the same time, and start a new one each time 1 finishes.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 19:19:09


(RETIRED) Anti-Szeweningen Reindeer
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RRRRRRROOOOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

I challenge you, Szewenningen! On Season 7 ladder settings! Best of 5!

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=259967
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 19:20:25


(RETIRED) Anti-Szeweningen Reindeer
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Damn, wrong account.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 20:48:35


szeweningen 
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Yeah, the last rule in general rules is exactly to prevent alternate acconuts for playing since I want the challenge to be transparent.

@ hedja:
I created that template btw. :) Sure settings are good for me.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 2/28/2013 22:49:55


(RETIRED) Anti-Szeweningen Reindeer
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I will play 500 games! And THEN I will challenge you! For real!
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/1/2013 22:34:07


hedja 
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Szew, does it have to be realtime, or could it be multiday settings and then if we are both online we finish off as if realtime?
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/6/2013 21:12:21


szeweningen 
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As long as it's played real-time I don't care. So, aren't there any teams that'd take a challenge? For now only valid challenges that were issued were 1vs1.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 01:10:45


Master Miyagi • apex 
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Miyagi Like to play you on this template http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=236282. since no multi-attack is allowed i will have to settle with this
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 01:36:56


Timinator • apex 
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- bonus values should never exceed number of territories minus 1 (exception: 1-territory bonuses)
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 01:55:52


professor dead piggy 
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So playing this seasons settings is out? sucks, they are fun and the first time i saw them suggested was by sze himself. Hope Fizz lets members use them when this is over.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 02:12:58


szeweningen 
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Well, the rule quoted by Timinator can be bent as long as it is balanced. It'smore of a guideline that prevents too big bonuses. I'd reject Miyagi's template not because of that, but because of map. The map is definitely too big for 1vs1 + playing real time with 15 starting territories and operating hundreds of armies executing dozens of orders every turn...

I am not yet sure about those seasons settings (I am mostly afraid of those 1 bonuses that may lead to being forced to choose 1st pick dependent strategies). Anowho for now season 8 settings are not yet possible to play outside of ladder.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 03:12:16


professor dead piggy 
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actually i am finding the 1 bonuses over rated. I am worried about uncounterable 5income from a bonus with 5 territories which gives first pick a huge advantage.

any imbalances give 1st pick an advantage and this season is all about making ME more unbalanced. Last season was the opposite, all about making it more homogenous.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/7/2013 16:38:17


Timinator • apex 
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for season 8 i think the base from which bonus value should have been lowered - to prevent bonuses with a ratio of 1 (despite the 1 for 1)
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/8/2013 05:07:08

Qi 
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^^ agreed.

4 territories w/ a base of 2 armies
5 t w/ a base of 3 a
6 t = 4 a
7 t = 5 a

that would make the picking and play a bit more interesting.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/14/2013 18:43:45


szeweningen 
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I will start taking challenges from now on.

For challenge #1 I'll take hedja's challenge, best of 7 Turkey 1vs1. If possible I'd like to play it this Saturday around 6-7 p.m. GMT+1.

For challenge #2 I'll take dead piggy's strat 1vs1 challenge, since we are not in the same timezone I can play it Monday the 25th around 1-2 p.m. GMT+1
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/14/2013 20:48:58


hedja 
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This weekend I cannot play, in 1 week my school ends for Easter holidays, then I have 1 week of revision, but I can fit it around WL.

I suggest you play Dead Piggy this weekend.
The szeweningen challenge thread: 3/14/2013 20:50:29


szeweningen 
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Problem is this weekend when I can play it'll be the middle of the night for him, so I don't think he'll want it.
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