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History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:20:12

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First of all watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiOCctlPR0

So, the challenge is;
1) Is that true about every country?
2) Are there any other countries that can claim that?
3) Which countries have defeated the highest amount of other countries?

So from the we'll start of with the list from the video then add to it from there. But first, we need to define the word 'country'. I think every member state of the UN. If you want to expand on that, then there's a victory straight away on the basis of if you count as a real country and they don't, you've won.

Here's what we've shown so far.

UK has defeated;
1) Germany (WW2-video)
2) Argentina (Falklands War-video)
3) France (Battle of Waterloo-video)
4) Canada (British Empire-video)
5) Spain (Battle of the Armada-video)
6) Uganda (German colony during WW1-video)
7) USA (War of 1812-14-video)
8) Belgium ('created out of thin fucking air'-video)
9) Italy (WW2-video)
10) China (Opium War-video)
11) Burkina Faso (German colony during WW1-video)
12) Norway (Vikings-video)
13) Japan (WW2-video)
14) Peru (Spanish colony during the Battle of the Armada-video)

Edited 8/31/2014 09:23:30
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:20:20

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History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:35:12


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All Murrays knowledge is impressive and his often convoluted answers are quite funny. This thread is just proud and dirty.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:39:55

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Mongolia?
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:43:52

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Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru, Sweden, Burundi, Ivory Coast, Mali, Chad, Central African Republic, Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Marshall Islands.

EDIT: forgot Guatemala.

Edited 8/31/2014 09:46:52
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:45:53


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You've missed so many countries, but your list has some problems:

Canada wasn't defeated by the U.K it was colonised.

Spain wasn't defeated, it lost a large naval force and did not have the capacity any longer to invade England, but neither did the English have the capacity to carry the war to Spain, or even land any meaningful force in the Spanish Netherlands to aid her allies the United Provinces.

(Treaty of London 1604 Terms)

Spain renounces intentions to restore Catholicism in England
An end to English wartime disruption to Spanish trans-atlantic shipping and colonial expansion (article 6)[7][8]
The English Channel opened to Spanish shipping
An end to English intervention in the Dutch Revolt (articles 4,5,7); England withdraws military and financial support to the Dutch rebels
Ships of both countries, merchants or warships, could use the mainland sea ports of the other party for refit, shelter or buy provisions (article 10). Fleets of less than eight ships didn't even have to ask for permission. This provided an extense network of naval bases for the Spaniards in England to help their war against the Dutch.)

Uganda - A colony by definition is not a country. (In politics and history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state, distinct from the home territory of the sovereign.)

Belgium - Belgium wasn't even a state until 1830 (or 1839 when it gained recognition from the Great Powers) And the state of Belgium has never been at war with the United Kingdom.

Burkina Faso - See Uganda

Norway - The United Kingdom or any of it's constituent countries have never invaded or conquered any Scandinavian countries which includes Norway. In some battles they have been succesful but as these battle took part in the United Kingdom the United Kingdom can not be said to have defeated Norway. Certainly not in the sense that Norwegians have conquered England and ruled it many times and when they lost battles in the majority of cases they still managed to exact a large amount of Danegeld from the English. And Normans are descended from Vikings so you can argue that the Battle of Hastings was a Viking victory also.

Japan ... I'm not sure where you're going with this one, My Grandfather fought in the Pacific with the Navy but it was an American sphere they held the operational command and were the ones whose technology brought the Japanese to accept unconditional surrender. Before Pearl Harbor the Japanese were irresistable in the Pacific due to England focusing on home defence as a priority and not having the capacity to fight back effectively. The battle of Singapore was ne of the worst defeats the United Kingdom had ever suffered:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore

Peru - See Uganda
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:49:41


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His Belgium story is nonsense. The Netherlands were not created out of thin air, king William I nagged at all European leaders and they expanded the Dutch republic with some Austrian colonies and made him king of it, but he started screwing up and 15 years later the Belgians revolted, and that's when they became independent. The UK has had nothing to do with it.

As for my country: There were four Anglo-Dutch wars, and we won two of them, in my opinion that counts as a tie! Plus we actually successfully conquered them in 1688, and were the last country to succeed in that (granted, there were also plenty of rebels there on our side).

Enough patriotism for now, thank you OMRLP for introducing me to Al Murray, he's really intelligent and funny.

Edited 8/31/2014 09:52:37
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 09:56:03

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This thread is not to dispute the reasons given. This thread is to think of more countries that can be added. The ones in the video are not to be disputed with in this challenge, but if you can add to the list through similar logic and see if this applies to other countries as well. It's not the place to debate already established correct answers.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 10:09:12


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List of countries that have defeted other countries(in my knowlege)

USA has defeated

UK(1776)
Nazi germany(1945)
Japan(1945)
Cuba(1962)
China(Korean war)
Soviet union(1946 - 1991)
Italy(1944)
Iraq(in progress)

China

Japan(1945)
South Vietnam(Vietnam war)
Nationalist China(1949)

Japan

Philipines (1942)
Indochina(1941)
Nationalsit China(only 37%)
Indonesia(1943)

Soviet Union/Russia

Nazi germany(1945)
Austria-Hungray(1918)
Ottoman empire(1918)
South vietnam(with china Vietnam War)
Sweden(1815)
Romania(1945)
Hungray(1945)

Sweden
Dennmark(until 1815)
Norway(???)

Spain
Portugal(1500s)
Incas(1535 I think)
Filipino tribes(1517)
Aztecs(1510)

France

Germany/Prussia(1815 , 1914-1918 , 1939-1945)
Spain(1815)
Uk/England(

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History Challenge: 8/31/2014 10:10:23


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Ska. Moros. You do realise the linked video is not a lecture right? It is act by a Oxford history graduate pretending to be a xenaphobic pub landlord. It is sometimes funny and often interesting. Do not argue with it and certainly dont attribute it to monster (as in 'I'm not sure where you are going with this?')
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 10:11:35


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Mystery man don't give yourself away.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 10:12:04


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Part 2

France

Uk/england(100 years war)

UK

All axis powers( 1939-1945)
USA(1812)
China/Qing Empire(1840s?)
Soviet union(1991)
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 10:27:11


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I didn't watch the video until now, I am familiar with Al Murray and I like him a lot. But like you said it's comedy not truth.

Never heard the term "dont attribute it to monster" but I can say that I'm not sure where it's going, if I am not sure where it's going :)
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 11:19:22

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Most states set up in wars .. but I do not think that Germany and Japan and Italy are considered new countries because of the war.
There are many countries that arose because of peoples and many peoples were divided manually and wrong in terms of regions.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 12:49:40


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What I meant ska was that you said 'I'm not sure where you are going with this?' As if you were thinking these were monster raving loony partys' ideas. I shortened his name to monster.
I was very unclear.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 12:54:30

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Now I have time to read some of your posts in full.

All Murrays knowledge is impressive and his often convoluted answers are quite funny. This thread is just proud and dirty.

No, this thread is a game where we can try to come up with more examples for as many countries as possible.

Mongolia?

You don't understand the point of this thread. The idea to come up with countries that have been defeated, not to come with examples where you think might not have been defeated.

Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru, Sweden, Burundi, Ivory Coast, Mali, Chad, Central African Republic, Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Marshall Islands.

See above.

Canada wasn't defeated by the U.K it was colonised.

For the purpose of this thread, that's good enough.

Spain wasn't defeated, it lost a large naval force and did not have the capacity any longer to invade England, but neither did the English have the capacity to carry the war to Spain, or even land any meaningful force in the Spanish Netherlands to aid her allies the United Provinces.

The aim of the Spanish was to invade England to make England catholic. Spain failed to do this and for the purposes of this thread, that's good enough for a defeat.

Uganda - A colony by definition is not a country. (In politics and history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state, distinct from the home territory of the sovereign.)
For the purposes of this thread, that's good enough.

Belgium - Belgium wasn't even a state until 1830 (or 1839 when it gained recognition from the Great Powers) And the state of Belgium has never been at war with the United Kingdom.

You clearly didn't understand the video.

Norway - The United Kingdom or any of it's constituent countries have never invaded or conquered any Scandinavian countries which includes Norway. In some battles they have been succesful but as these battle took part in the United Kingdom the United Kingdom can not be said to have defeated Norway. Certainly not in the sense that Norwegians have conquered England and ruled it many times and when they lost battles in the majority of cases they still managed to exact a large amount of Danegeld from the English. And Normans are descended from Vikings so you can argue that the Battle of Hastings was a Viking victory also.

The location doesn't matter for the purposes of this thread. As long as country a has won again country b, then that's good enough.

Japan ... I'm not sure where you're going with this one, My Grandfather fought in the Pacific with the Navy but it was an American sphere they held the operational command and were the ones whose technology brought the Japanese to accept unconditional surrender. Before Pearl Harbor the Japanese were irresistable in the Pacific due to England focusing on home defence as a priority and not having the capacity to fight back effectively. The battle of Singapore was ne of the worst defeats the United Kingdom had ever suffered:

Japan was part of the axis powers. The UK was part of the allies. The axis were defeated in WW2, for the purposes of this thread, that's good enough.

Ska2D2, I highly doubt you've even watched the video.

His Belgium story is nonsense. The Netherlands were not created out of thin air, king William I nagged at all European leaders and they expanded the Dutch republic with some Austrian colonies and made him king of it, but he started screwing up and 15 years later the Belgians revolted, and that's when they became independent. The UK has had nothing to do with it.

For the purposes of this thread, any country that signed any of the treaties that came about from the Napoleonic War can claim victory over Belgium.

List of countries that have defeted other countries(in my knowlege)

USA has defeated

UK(1776)
Nazi germany(1945)
Japan(1945)
Cuba(1962)
China(Korean war)
Soviet union(1946 - 1991)
Italy(1944)
Iraq(in progress)

China

Japan(1945)
South Vietnam(Vietnam war)
Nationalist China(1949)

Japan

Philipines (1942)
Indochina(1941)
Nationalsit China(only 37%)
Indonesia(1943)

Soviet Union/Russia

Nazi germany(1945)
Austria-Hungray(1918)
Ottoman empire(1918)
South vietnam(with china Vietnam War)
Sweden(1815)
Romania(1945)
Hungray(1945)

Sweden
Dennmark(until 1815)
Norway(???)

Spain
Portugal(1500s)
Incas(1535 I think)
Filipino tribes(1517)
Aztecs(1510)

France

Germany/Prussia(1815 , 1914-1918 , 1939-1945)
Spain(1815)
Uk/England(

Finally, someone who understands what this thread is for, I'll check some of those later.

I didn't watch the video until now, I am familiar with Al Murray and I like him a lot. But like you said it's comedy not truth.

As I thought, if you didn't watch the video then your arguments are invalid.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 16:29:02


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this thread makes slightly less sense than mystery man's forum games.
History Challenge: 8/31/2014 17:38:08


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UK beat Germany today in the World Rowing Regatta. England happened to beat them at football in 1966. German defeat times four?
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