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Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/25/2014 14:38:05


Beren Erchamion 
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Oh, I understand why you did that. I'm just saying it would have been preferable to have done both.
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/25/2014 17:14:45


THE DARKNESS [IL]
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stfu master i VERY support peace and free of palastine but they blow our agreement everytime
u r the real fucking racist here
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/28/2014 20:25:14


L'Esophogas
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ARISE, MY FELLOW WARLIGHT PLAYERS!

LET US LEAVE OFF THIS FOOLISH GAME AND RUSH TO THE DEFENCE OF THE POOR AND DOWNTRODDEN PALISTINIANS!

THE ACTS OF THE MURDEROUS ISRAELI STATE HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED AT ALL TIMES AND SHOULD MOVE US ALL TO ACTION!

TO ARMS, MY FRIENDS, TO ARMS!

Or we could just keep playing warlight instead...

Thoughts?
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/29/2014 02:18:53


myhandisonfire 
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A must watch on the conflict: Ilan Pappe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA48MptIY

more in depth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIWvcBzbqVc

Edited 8/29/2014 02:34:50
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/29/2014 03:20:50


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Nice points, thanks Myhand. To be honest I think Darkness is just a Troll trying to make Israel look worse. It's hard to take any of that seriously.
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/29/2014 12:23:22

Elroi{IL}
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You jihadist L'Esophogas?
And any agreement with them destroyed
Why do you think the darkness makes a bad image to Israel?
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/29/2014 13:12:23

[UN] Choombi
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well, looks like i have to equip my sour armor to defend the actions of Israel, this sucks.
I'm not even a big supporter of my country's actions, the whole occupation of the west bank isn't particularly OK, the only motive of our actions in Gaza lately is to make hamas stop launching missiles at us, which is fine, but horribly selfish, because we are willing to leave these fascists(they ARE fascists, check their ideology) in charge so long as they don't bug us, why is this wrong? well,

1. Hamas are shockingly bad at running gaza, economically speaking, most of their expanses go to either curropt people, or terrorists.

2. BLOCKADE, ever since hamas got to power and said "Screw Oslo, were gonna start firing missiles at ya, kk?" Israel is blockading gaza, causing to have practically zero external trade with things that are not Israel or Egypt(and Egypt is blockading too, mind), and Israel doesn't want to remove them from power and end the blockade so less Soliders of ours will die, great, the 10x amount of Gaza citizens that will die because hamas will remain in power does not matter

BACK TO BUSINESS

but these aren't "ten false myths", these are "ten Anti-Israel rants", see the difference?

i'm not gonna go though everything, that will be boring, but more or less half of them(and in the wrong order)


Myth #3 – The Arabs missed an opportunity to have their own state in 1947.

yes, Arabs missed an opportunity for a state of their own, i view the whole thing as downright HILARIOUS, the UN offered a partition of Israel between Jews and Muslims, Jews agreed, Muslims refused, so we took half of the land that should have gone to the Muslims, could have been avoided if they said yes



Myth #4 – Israel has a “right to exist”.
fuck no, I'm not getting into that, that subject is completely bloody subjective, no facts, no absolute truth, this also goes for
Myth #8 – God gave the land to the Jews, so the Arabs are the occupiers.
NEXT THING.



Myth #5 – The Arab nations threatened Israel with annihilation in 1967 and 1973


half yes half no, 1967, hell no they didn't, that was our idea, totally an offensive war, if it was defensive it will take at least two weeks :P

1973...YES THEY DID, and they attacked us on a holiday, too :P, thats unfair game, if they could get to Jerusalem, then yes, they would destroy the state

on the subject, fun fact: Arab states never even tried to kill Israel, let's look at 1947-9
Israel fought Egypt, Jordan, Syria, bunch of other Arab nations, and WON, they obviously didn't seriously try, or we we would lose.
it's all just propaganda...sad, right?

Myth #2 – The United Nations created Israel.

holocaust survivors created Israel


Myth #7 – Israeli military action against its neighbors is only taken to defend itself against terrorism.

you are kidding, right? once again, THEY SHOT MISSILES AT US, NOT BLOODY NICE
may i note, they were shooting at civilians, their "holy war" is to disrupt innocent people's night's sleep, then people are surprised we hate them. also, we were in Lebanon to try to put a government that will, you know, not support people shooting missiles at us, and a democratic one at that.
one more note, Syria was trying to occupy Lebanon at the time for funsies, and when we stand a choice between Israel occupied Lebanon and Syria Occupied Lebanon, we take the first option

Myth #10 – The U.S. is an honest broker and has sought to bring about peace in the Middle East.

well USA attempts to "make peace in the middle east" are mocked, ignored, and largely disrespected by all sides, nobody gives a damn about them, really


done, thats my silly argument, unlike others, i don't claim my personal view on things to be a fact, let me sum up by saying this: this whole...thing, is a bunch of idiots from both sides who insist to not co-exist, those "bunch of idiots" are the majority, on both sides, self making truth
let it not be said i'm a traitor to my country...sort of...not really....ah nevermind

Edited 8/30/2014 06:47:29
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 8/29/2014 20:19:42


myhandisonfire 
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Choomb, not the arabs are the fascists, its the Israel government and a ever growing part of Israels society. Most Israelis, much like the ones that posted here, live in a state of denial. They have no idea of what really went on and frankly, they dont really want to know. They dont want to face the unpleasant truths about the founding of their beloved country, they dont want to question the rightfulness of everything they have grown to be proud of.
It`s not an uncommon behaviour and its not particularily Israeli, but it doesnt change the fact that it is wrong, factual and morally. And it doesnt change the fact that the immense suffering of millions of innoncents due to this ethnic cleasing , mass murder and apartheid is continued every day.

because we are willing to leave these fascists(they ARE fascists, check their ideology) in charge


Yes, lets check the ideology of the zionists.

Look at this letter by Ben Gurion to his son, 1937, it clearly states the agenda and already gives a peak into a future yet to come:

My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.

When we acquire one thousand or 10,000 dunams, we feel elated. It does not hurt our feelings that by this acquisition we are not in possession of the whole land. This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country.

We shall admit into the state all the Jews we can. We firmly believe that we can admit more than two million Jews. We shall build a multi-faceted Jewish economy– agricultural, industrial, and maritime. We shall organize an advanced defense force—a superior army which I have no doubt will be one of the best armies in the world. At that point I am confident that we would not fail in settling in the remaining parts of the country, through agreement and understanding with our Arab neighbors, or through some other means.


read the whole letter here:
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/we-must-expel-arabs-and-take-their-place-institute-for-palestine-studies-publishes-1937-ben-gurion-letter-advocating-the-expulsion-of-palestinians.html

Israeli Myth:

1. Hamas are shockingly bad at running gaza, economically speaking, most of their expanses go to either curropt people, or terrorists.


Just another big Israeli propaganda lie. Not the Hamas is bad at running things in Gaza, its the policy of Israel to "keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge"

raw wikileaks documentation:

http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2447_a.html

picked up by Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-israel-aimed-to-keep-gaza-economy-on-brink-of-collapse-1.335354


Israeli Myth:

ever since hamas got to power and said "Screw Oslo, were gonna start firing missiles at ya, kk?.


Oslo peace process was sabotaged and put to halt by Israel not by Hamas. I linked information to this fact many times. There is no doubt about that by independent scientists, but maybe you need to hear it from your own president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl60X_jOsR0


Concerning your other arguments, I provided proof for everything i wrote. I provide background information, video links, text links for you and everyone else to see. If you critise whatever information I give, back it up. Don`t repeat the Israeli mainstream propaganda without going into depth about the actual events. Its not only tiresome to read, its pointless and serves no purpose other than to deviate from the truth. As I said before, I personally believe that most Israelis dont even know most of this, since its very well shielded from their own eyes and they react aggressively in defense of their misconception of actual events. Unwilling to examine the sources that are provided and unwilling to possibly find something they would have a hard time dealing with.
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 9/1/2014 17:20:30


THE DARKNESS [IL]
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yes Ben gurion was racist on the arabs but it dosent mean he is the exmple of zionisam

zionisam is the reason we have our country back yes zionisam do belive in a jewish state but not only for the jews zionisam demand that jews will be the biggest amount in our country but zionisam created democrasy here arabs have rights just like jews here arabs even have 3 parties in israel

please dont see me as a racist here i hear lots of your insult to me i have arab friends here and i support palastine to be indepandent (but hamas have to be destroyed)

hamas wont stop attack israel and hurt its own ppl we are the only chance to save gaza's ppl our govermant may did some mastacks but its not fachist we have human right and democrasy that arabs can be voted as prime minister/president

i'm soory if i hurted some of u i know i'm not VERY smart i'm only 16 but i know that i want peace and israel is one of the greatest democrasies in the world and the only nation with human rights in the middle east a nation that protact itself and even try to save other nations.
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 9/1/2014 18:09:55


The National Socialist
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israel is one of the greatest democrasies in the world
USA is one of the greatest Democracies in the world.*

Fixed it
Top10 Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: 9/1/2014 19:32:24


THE DARKNESS [IL]
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It is also i love USA very much
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