What % of people of forum understand that English? What % understand that logic?

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I read the first three ... I do not have the strength to read it all ... waiting for them to specify which mass immigration to Israel in the era of the British Arab Islamic countries illegally.
Arab immigrants came mainly after the Jews first wave of immigration began to dry up the marshes.
The establishment of the Jewish state area beach was hardly poor and they have declared war on illegal even though they are not with.
They have no connection to Israel Palestine, it was not a Roman general, and there has never been a Palestinian Arabs in Israel were the only ones it just before the British and Muslim nomads Bioroshliim.
They say Jerusalem is the religious capital Although not mentioned in the Koran, they say on their long history in Israel, but there are only 100 ~ years.
What is different from the Russians in Ukraine who demand independence? They are not a nation-state and have been the same Russian-Arab.
And all Jews agreed option and before the UN intervened in Hebron massacres was killed scores of Jews.
Israel was not true Arab-Jewish racism, religious hatred was Arab.
How you can see it in your country where you live only 30 years, and you have no history and religion to do with the place?

I reed some of those and its all BULLSHIT israel alwalys have been threats by other nations terorisam racisam is just a little part of hamas and the neibour nations israel gave sini desart for peace israel almoust gave indepandence to palastine in 1995 but then lots of terorists interfear for no reason

israel is one of the oldest conturys and races in the world we lived in israel since 5000 years israel is ours palastinin ppl came 100 years ago in the ottoman times we only asked for our country back and the arabs with all the gold and oil said: ''hey why jews have a state?''suden 1949:''the arab legue will NEVER ally israel'' no reason to hate us we just protact ourself

1967:The arab nations disided that its time to kill us and with a great spy that discovered it we won! we saved our own nation


1973:The arabs wanted revange to gut back thier ''honor'' and killed over 2000 brave soldiers for NO reason at all

1979:EVEN after this arab revange we disided to make peace with egypt and the price was HEAVY return back sini desart full of oil anoar sadat is the 1 of 2 mulims ever that got novel prize (second was arafat same reason peace with israel) who got the nobvel prize becuse the peace meeting WE made can u belive this deadly killer of 1973 geting peace novel prize? unbelivebal.........


1982:lebnon is full of terorists that lanches missiles on israel for NO reason again israel diside to entar lebanon in order to clean it from terorists then leave it alone
sadly it didnt work out and one of the crazyest evil terorist orgnization was formed:hizbala

1994:peace with jordan (we disided)

1995:we almoust came to a peace agreemant and indepandace to palastine our prime minister in this time yzhak rabin was one of the peacefullest ppl in human history disided to shake hand with the leader of palastine arafat(a deadly killer head of a terorisam orginization)
in the fact we even GAVE palastine money and WEPONS this year can u belive it?? not only this mad killer got novel prize he got wepons and money WTF????

2006-presant:jews that lived in gaza strip have been attacked in 2006. the govermant diside to BENISH the jews from thier home in gaza strip gaza not only become independent we gave them tons of money this money was not for wepons it was for schools hospitels etc.
and hamas used them to build terror holes and buy wepons from katar and turky so since 2008-2014 we are under attack

And if u want it in short ill say this: we are one of the oldest countrys in the WORLD we have been benish from our little nation in and in other nation we have been hunted and killed racisam Violence to jews and israel have begun 2000 years ago till today we are just a little nation who defend itself and cant give palastine (but want) indepandence we cant becuse of the terorisam we saffer every year

See myhand, you can't reason with people like this. That's why they have to be killed.

You hate Israelis because they are stubborn? pathetically

well because of people like darkness, there will be no peace in the middle east. so mulva is right. kill yourself. i really hope he will understand someday, what's going on and what he writes is just ignorance.

Well Israelis not believe there will be peace ... whenever he agreement was always who will fight against us, it does not stop, and discouraging

@myhand, i know we can all google it, but it would make sense to link to the article.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

@beren

I posted it as thread because i realized most people dont look at the links iposted and just argue nonsense. This way they have to adress what is written here black and white before them.
But I am glad that there are people like you that investigate things on there own.

Edited 8/25/2014 14:37:06

Oh, I understand why you did that. I'm just saying it would have been preferable to have done both.

stfu master i VERY support peace and free of palastine but they blow our agreement everytime
u r the real fucking racist here

ARISE, MY FELLOW WARLIGHT PLAYERS!

LET US LEAVE OFF THIS FOOLISH GAME AND RUSH TO THE DEFENCE OF THE POOR AND DOWNTRODDEN PALISTINIANS!

THE ACTS OF THE MURDEROUS ISRAELI STATE HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED AT ALL TIMES AND SHOULD MOVE US ALL TO ACTION!

TO ARMS, MY FRIENDS, TO ARMS!

Or we could just keep playing warlight instead...

Thoughts?

A must watch on the conflict: Ilan Pappe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA48MptIY

more in depth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIWvcBzbqVc

Edited 8/29/2014 02:34:50

Nice points, thanks Myhand. To be honest I think Darkness is just a Troll trying to make Israel look worse. It's hard to take any of that seriously.

You jihadist L'Esophogas?
And any agreement with them destroyed
Why do you think the darkness makes a bad image to Israel?

well, looks like i have to equip my sour armor to defend the actions of Israel, this sucks.
I'm not even a big supporter of my country's actions, the whole occupation of the west bank isn't particularly OK, the only motive of our actions in Gaza lately is to make hamas stop launching missiles at us, which is fine, but horribly selfish, because we are willing to leave these fascists(they ARE fascists, check their ideology) in charge so long as they don't bug us, why is this wrong? well,

1. Hamas are shockingly bad at running gaza, economically speaking, most of their expanses go to either curropt people, or terrorists.

2. BLOCKADE, ever since hamas got to power and said "Screw Oslo, were gonna start firing missiles at ya, kk?" Israel is blockading gaza, causing to have practically zero external trade with things that are not Israel or Egypt(and Egypt is blockading too, mind), and Israel doesn't want to remove them from power and end the blockade so less Soliders of ours will die, great, the 10x amount of Gaza citizens that will die because hamas will remain in power does not matter

BACK TO BUSINESS

but these aren't "ten false myths", these are "ten Anti-Israel rants", see the difference?

i'm not gonna go though everything, that will be boring, but more or less half of them(and in the wrong order)

Myth #3 – The Arabs missed an opportunity to have their own state in 1947.

yes, Arabs missed an opportunity for a state of their own, i view the whole thing as downright HILARIOUS, the UN offered a partition of Israel between Jews and Muslims, Jews agreed, Muslims refused, so we took half of the land that should have gone to the Muslims, could have been avoided if they said yes

Myth #4 – Israel has a “right to exist”.

fuck no, I'm not getting into that, that subject is completely bloody subjective, no facts, no absolute truth, this also goes for

Myth #8 – God gave the land to the Jews, so the Arabs are the occupiers.

NEXT THING.

Myth #5 – The Arab nations threatened Israel with annihilation in 1967 and 1973

half yes half no, 1967, hell no they didn't, that was our idea, totally an offensive war, if it was defensive it will take at least two weeks :P

1973...YES THEY DID, and they attacked us on a holiday, too :P, thats unfair game, if they could get to Jerusalem, then yes, they would destroy the state

on the subject, fun fact: Arab states never even tried to kill Israel, let's look at 1947-9
Israel fought Egypt, Jordan, Syria, bunch of other Arab nations, and WON, they obviously didn't seriously try, or we we would lose.
it's all just propaganda...sad, right?

Myth #2 – The United Nations created Israel.

holocaust survivors created Israel

Myth #7 – Israeli military action against its neighbors is only taken to defend itself against terrorism.

you are kidding, right? once again, THEY SHOT MISSILES AT US, NOT BLOODY NICE
may i note, they were shooting at civilians, their "holy war" is to disrupt innocent people's night's sleep, then people are surprised we hate them. also, we were in Lebanon to try to put a government that will, you know, not support people shooting missiles at us, and a democratic one at that.
one more note, Syria was trying to occupy Lebanon at the time for funsies, and when we stand a choice between Israel occupied Lebanon and Syria Occupied Lebanon, we take the first option

Myth #10 – The U.S. is an honest broker and has sought to bring about peace in the Middle East.

well USA attempts to "make peace in the middle east" are mocked, ignored, and largely disrespected by all sides, nobody gives a damn about them, really


done, thats my silly argument, unlike others, i don't claim my personal view on things to be a fact, let me sum up by saying this: this whole...thing, is a bunch of idiots from both sides who insist to not co-exist, those "bunch of idiots" are the majority, on both sides, self making truth
let it not be said i'm a traitor to my country...sort of...not really....ah nevermind

Edited 8/30/2014 06:47:29

Choomb, not the arabs are the fascists, its the Israel government and a ever growing part of Israels society. Most Israelis, much like the ones that posted here, live in a state of denial. They have no idea of what really went on and frankly, they dont really want to know. They dont want to face the unpleasant truths about the founding of their beloved country, they dont want to question the rightfulness of everything they have grown to be proud of.
It`s not an uncommon behaviour and its not particularily Israeli, but it doesnt change the fact that it is wrong, factual and morally. And it doesnt change the fact that the immense suffering of millions of innoncents due to this ethnic cleasing , mass murder and apartheid is continued every day.

because we are willing to leave these fascists(they ARE fascists, check their ideology) in charge

Yes, lets check the ideology of the zionists.

Look at this letter by Ben Gurion to his son, 1937, it clearly states the agenda and already gives a peak into a future yet to come:

My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.

When we acquire one thousand or 10,000 dunams, we feel elated. It does not hurt our feelings that by this acquisition we are not in possession of the whole land. This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country.

We shall admit into the state all the Jews we can. We firmly believe that we can admit more than two million Jews. We shall build a multi-faceted Jewish economy– agricultural, industrial, and maritime. We shall organize an advanced defense force—a superior army which I have no doubt will be one of the best armies in the world. At that point I am confident that we would not fail in settling in the remaining parts of the country, through agreement and understanding with our Arab neighbors, or through some other means.

read the whole letter here:
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/we-must-expel-arabs-and-take-their-place-institute-for-palestine-studies-publishes-1937-ben-gurion-letter-advocating-the-expulsion-of-palestinians.html

Israeli Myth:

1. Hamas are shockingly bad at running gaza, economically speaking, most of their expanses go to either curropt people, or terrorists.

Just another big Israeli propaganda lie. Not the Hamas is bad at running things in Gaza, its the policy of Israel to "keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge"

raw wikileaks documentation:

http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2447_a.html

picked up by Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-israel-aimed-to-keep-gaza-economy-on-brink-of-collapse-1.335354


Israeli Myth:

ever since hamas got to power and said "Screw Oslo, were gonna start firing missiles at ya, kk?.

Oslo peace process was sabotaged and put to halt by Israel not by Hamas. I linked information to this fact many times. There is no doubt about that by independent scientists, but maybe you need to hear it from your own president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl60X_jOsR0


Concerning your other arguments, I provided proof for everything i wrote. I provide background information, video links, text links for you and everyone else to see. If you critise whatever information I give, back it up. Don`t repeat the Israeli mainstream propaganda without going into depth about the actual events. Its not only tiresome to read, its pointless and serves no purpose other than to deviate from the truth. As I said before, I personally believe that most Israelis dont even know most of this, since its very well shielded from their own eyes and they react aggressively in defense of their misconception of actual events. Unwilling to examine the sources that are provided and unwilling to possibly find something they would have a hard time dealing with.

yes Ben gurion was racist on the arabs but it dosent mean he is the exmple of zionisam

zionisam is the reason we have our country back yes zionisam do belive in a jewish state but not only for the jews zionisam demand that jews will be the biggest amount in our country but zionisam created democrasy here arabs have rights just like jews here arabs even have 3 parties in israel

please dont see me as a racist here i hear lots of your insult to me i have arab friends here and i support palastine to be indepandent (but hamas have to be destroyed)

hamas wont stop attack israel and hurt its own ppl we are the only chance to save gaza's ppl our govermant may did some mastacks but its not fachist we have human right and democrasy that arabs can be voted as prime minister/president

i'm soory if i hurted some of u i know i'm not VERY smart i'm only 16 but i know that i want peace and israel is one of the greatest democrasies in the world and the only nation with human rights in the middle east a nation that protact itself and even try to save other nations.

israel is one of the greatest democrasies in the world

USA is one of the greatest Democracies in the world.*

Fixed it