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❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 12:49:46


Ace Windu 
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I see what you mean but this is not really how I envisioned the game playing out. Now Silver is playing the game almost on his own and discussing things on skype and in PMs which is very exclusionary.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 12:56:13


his balls. 
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MoD. In this particular set up (as defined by Dom) that is how it works. Normally there is no private discussion except for the wolves. I believe that with private messaging for all we lose a lot of the actual point of the game. Again, if you are whispering with other people in real life, you are playing the game wrong (not to mention I dont know how it would actually benefit you as others can see you whispering). There is a lot of interesting reading on this subject. Once again I will refer you to mafiascum.net.

I dont agree that it spoils the fun to have a dictator though . In this sandbox type game (within the confines of precisely defined rules) a dictator can only arise through the game itself. It is the game. You can rebel against that if you like.

Where is that alt/noob who knows piped up earlier to explain better for me.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 12:59:43

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Yeah I agree.
There's a big loophole in the rules for this game and after discovering it I've been exploiting it to the max to ensure the win for my own team.
I can see how it spoils the fun for almost everyone except for the select few.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:00:59


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It isn't how the game works at all.

For example the game should be played in public. It's now being played at least half in private.

The game should be played by discussion and consensus it's now being played by direction from the angel.

The angel should be able to help the village by protecting villagers on the right trail. The game is now being played with one invincible villager (the angel who [has to] protect himself each turn.

Now we have a puppeteer vs the wolves.

This isn't how I envisaged the game.

Yes yes Silver you play to win, you hate not winning blah blah. But I don't like gamey wins*. They have no luster for me. And I think this game is heading for a gamey win.

EDIT: No offence to you Silver you're playing to win and trying to help everyone towards that. But I think the essence of the game is being lost along the way.

Edited 8/28/2014 13:01:59
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:06:07


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don't you agree that it's incredibly dangerous to discuss a strategy with someone else? he might be a wolf. as soon as the leader trusts the wrong persons, the wolves almost won. the only bad thing is, that the angel can't get killed. the angels identity is public. normally silver would die this night by the wolves. and then the villagers can't trust anyone again
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:07:26


[WM] Gnuffone 
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seems you guys cares too much about win, instead of play the game for fun only...

Edited 8/28/2014 13:07:35
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:08:08

Silver 
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Coming from you Gnuff? :P
Brilliant. :D
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:08:56


Ace Windu 
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Gnuff, I totally agree.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:10:03


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Silver 2 wrongs make a right?
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:12:54

Silver 
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Yeah I agree with everything said, the game is not going as it should go.

I'd like the muse to copy me and myself getting lynched today to restore the balance.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:15:56


MysteryManBall
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Erm... im not ga0onna vote this time
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:19:06


[WM] Gnuffone 
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Coming from you Gnuff? :P
Brilliant. :D


This is a forum game, is supposed to be played only for fun, not for win.
Otherwise i would play autoga,es vs noob if my goal is win.

So silver you want we vote for you??

Edited 8/28/2014 13:19:26
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:22:10

Silver 
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Yeah, kill me off.

I'll still publicize all the wolves I'm sure in, because the info was gained by their own direct actions, not mine.

EDIT:
I think it'll balance out since wolves get a kill tonight too.

Edited 8/28/2014 13:23:39
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:23:08

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Where is that alt/noob who knows piped up earlier to explain better for me.


She was at home and then sleeping :P (and I'm not an alt, FWIW... I somewhat object to being called a noob just because I'm a low level, but, meh, whatever)

From the Mafiascum wiki, which is one of the main sites people seem to go to for basic rules/role explanations/etc.

Each games... has its own set of rules determined by the moderator. Generally, different games have similar rules. (The exceptions being games with more intricate game mechanics.)

- During the day, everyone can post whatever accusations they like.
- No players may talk outside of the game thread during the day phase.
- Mafia members, masons, cult members, and some other groups may be able to talk outside the thread during the night phase.
- Voting is generally done in some specific format (such as Vote: SomePlayer) to make it easier for the Moderator to keep count.
- In most games, once someone reaches a majority that player is lynched and the moderator reveals that player's role.


The above rules, I would basically say are *always* in effect unless you are told otherwise by the mod (generally in a case where those "more intricate game mechanics" they mention are in effect. Those more intricate game mechanics could involve, amongst others, specific power roles that have the ability to speak privately with others during the day.

I could start a meta-thread to discuss/hash out/yell at each other about/throw tomatoes at each other over the creation of a general ruleset for Mafia/Wolves here on this board, if folks want.

Silver, as Dom has decided to allow it, yes, loophole away. I don't particularly like it, as it really is kind of gamebreaking. The point is that only the wolves know who to trust. In a normal game, any confirming of town power roles has to happen out in public, where there is the chance for wolves to see that information and know who to target with night kills. Giving town the ability to confirm each other privately without the wolves knowing overpowers them. Especially since you have (theoretically) private messaged people individually and not as a group amongst those who have claimed seer, you have essentially made yourself an outside the game check on truth, as no wolf dares try to claim a power role they don't have because they don't know if you're separately telling others to check the same person as they "seered." That may feel good to you as it makes winning the game much easier, but surely you can see how that takes the fun and competition out of it?
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:24:58


MysteryManBall
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Stop ruining tha game

I know u know the rules so stop repeqting
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:25:45


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Silver if you die you will not publicise anything. You can't do that when you are dead. You sure you want out now?

Edited 8/28/2014 13:28:19
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:27:45


Ace Windu 
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He can tell us his opinions right now Arun.

Edit: Kalira I think a meta-thread on rules and guidelines would be useful because this game has thrown up a lot of rules confusion.

Edited 8/28/2014 13:29:07
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:28:39


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Ace ofc but he inferred he intended to speak after death.
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:29:46


MysteryManBall
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Factors that silver will die

(Quote 1 is erased since the quote only had effet in turn 1)
-a majority votes
-he is eaten
-there is tie until someone votes for him

Edited 8/28/2014 13:33:21
❷ Wolves ❷: 2014-08-28 13:32:11

Silver 
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No I didn't Arun.
Stfu MMB I only die because I chose to do so.

Edited 8/28/2014 13:32:47
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