JSA:
1. Pulsey has XS on Ahol/Master's tier.
2. ChrisCMU have Ahol higher than Master but Master and XS on the same tier.
3. Is little of a judge the clan league is French are beating everyone but 20. So while you may be right they don't deserve to be with Master, XS, and Ahol they do deserve to be above the others in group B.
4. BR is like French. They have a few good players here or decent players there......
5. Gladiators are pretty decent all around, but since they don't participate in clan vs clan things often I don'think they deserve to be ranked period.
5. If 101st had any good players they would be in Lynx and 76thmyth isn't that great.
6. You know very little about my clan.

My ""Top 3 Players""
1. Wohoo is innocent until proven guilty.
2. Widzisz doesn't play in any games for us or with us. His alt is here just for communication reasons.
3. Zebedeus...... I don't know what to say about him....... Reguardless he is inactive and doesn't count.
4. We have better players than those above, and who says Strat. 1v1 defines someone as a good player?


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Viz3GlgloChi50YIkMjUsU30xuOTfmd1icPsNrgc8FI/edit#gid=1508393558

Edit: Beren Erchamion http://warlight.net/Profile?p=314032996
Is pretty good. He has beat several "good players" in these tournaments:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=11505 Turkey LD
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=11523 Strategic ME

Edited 8/22/2014 02:57:41

As a side note or even a joke:

"Plus he's in the Masters clan, which automatically demotes him..........Desi, on the other hand is very good. Like he says, he has a higher rating than mod, which automatically makes him better. Combine that with the fact that he is in the mighty Blitz clan, and it is impossible to say mod is better than him."

If this statement (probably sarcastic) is true, then why is Blitz ranked lower than Master in your listing?

Edit: MoD your a good player this is not to be taken offense by since you know its a joke.

Edited 8/22/2014 01:48:18

1 and 2. ChrisCMU was re-tier-ing pulsey's list. I don't agree fully with Pulsey's list. So why should it matter to me?

3. The clan league shows the French barely beating the Warlighters. And I have the French rated above the others in Group B. But I don't just grade clans on their best 5 or so players (French are using only 4-5 players for the most part). I include depth. I can't put the French in a higher tier, because they have no depth. XS can make a case to move up within Tier 5, as I said, but they have no case to be on par with AHOL or Masters. Top 5 of Masters: Slammy, TWM, Miyagi, Mod (although he is a noob), Bjarke. AHOL: CHRIS37, Ace, NoobSchool, Military, CONQ. Top 5 of XS: Inner Kingdom, Beren, Oh Noes, Luka, Kenraali. Top 5 of French: Phaeril, Ze, 125ch, Wazz, Niko. Master and AHOL have a better top 5 than XS for sure. The French are closer, but the French have no one decent after those 5, while both the Masters and AHOL have a lot more depth. This is why I ranked them in different tiers.

4. BR is like French, but on a lower level. BR has 1-2 guys that can compete with those 5 on French, and 3-4 that are at best "okay".

5. Sure, take them off.

2nd #5. (can you count :)). 101st doesn't have to have "good players" to compete with those other clans in Tier 6. Tier 6 was very close for me to rate, as I said while ranking them. Only BR has a player I consider "good" that is not an alt. Most of these clans have 4-5 plaeyrs that are "okay". I think the 101st players are better than most of the other clans in team games is why I actually had them at the top of Tier 6 but I can understand why you might think others deserve that spot instead.

6. Most of the players in your clan I have played with are bad. Cheery Dog is the best I have played, and he is "okay".

Let me get this straight. YOu think you have better players than Dutch Desier, Widzisz, and Belzebu? Please show me this! If you can offer proof of this, and that player is not an alt, I have defiantly underrated you guys.

Beren beats one good player, and loses to the second one he plays. That doesn't really convince me Beren is good...

As rated you have WM and Apex towards the top. In those tournaments he has beaten 2 apex players and 1 WM player. It doesn't show he is better but shows he can compete at that skill level.
He refers to Beren**

No Widzisz, Belzebub, and Dutch Desire are all great players. Knowing that they are alts will lead menot to use them im future clan events. So I wouldnt count them as my best players.

And in regards to 6. To keep the clan "happy" I need to keep some of the first members. CHeeryDog is okay at most templates. Nagromo plays mainly LD......... Dan beat Lynx in MME I believe.

Doesnt matter we can argue all day and in the end we will both waste time and effort.

Edited 8/22/2014 02:29:38

You linked only one tournament...and 3 wins vs good plaeyrs does not make you a good player. I think Beren is decent; i won't argue that. But to say that he can actually compete with apex and WM members might be a bit much. Maybe if you get the worst 1-2 in each clan.

Um, okay?

Congrats. Dan beat one Lynx player one time. And the Lynx player that has had the least success on the 1v1 ladder at that. Forgive me for not being impressed. Now if he beats me 5/10 on those settings, then I would say he is good. But one game means very little. The clan league is the best proof we have right now, and the Turtles have played very much under Blitz, and have played even with BR, despite Woohoo going undefeated in his 1v1 tournament.

Who are the turtle's best players in your opinion?

We have played much under blitz; however, lynx has played much under blitz too. If you count MoD's points but then you also say he isn't a good player.


If you want to discuss something we should do it in mail or a chat game not on the forum. Feel free to post anything I say though.

Edit: Fixed it so that it shows the second tournament.

Edited 8/22/2014 02:58:23

Lynx played every single player in our clan at the time (except Apollo since he asked not to play). Even with mod's points added, I think you'll find lynx would actually finish a slight bit ahead(albeit very close). And ofc I don't think mod is bad, I was using sarcasm.

Eh, we're all good here now.

LOL, last ranked clan! Over half of our clan basically left the game as soon as school went on summer break. I am seriously surprised to see we even got ranked

nice to see at least one of you is still active :D

you may try to take managers priviledges and rebuild the clan from scratch, invite active people..

Clan       Tier

20          1
Apex        1
WG          1
WM          1
GG          1
AHol        1
Lynx        1
Master      2
ID          2
French      2 
Warlighter  2
XS          2
Blitz       2
VIW         2
REGL        2
XCD         3
Turtle      3
BR          3
101st       3
Gladiator   3
G-Spot      3
S Ninja     3
Swirve      3
Ohms        3

I'll do this properly later.

I was really enjoying that Turtle/JSA discussion. Bring it back please.

this thread is pointless

Most warlight threads are pointless. This one is meant to cause clan arguments I think (and it has scuceeded).

Doesnt clan league already rank clans?

Yeah the clan league already ranks clans. But it doesn't reward depth and can't compare clans in different divisions. For instance, saying WG is the best clan right now just because they won the clan league seems very silly. Apex added 2 top players (Timi and Piggy), and 20 never had the chance to play WG in the clan league last season.

Maybe it's not my place to argue here, but i kinda stumbled upon this thread and read Normans post. Then i read JSA...so i have to reply. Saying clan league doesn't matter because it doesn't reward depth is like says Olympic games don't matter because they are one time event, it's like saying that Germany is not world champion because Argentina may have beaten them in a second game.......if leagues don't matter then there wouldn't be sports, it's all about functioning at the right time under pressure....I don't mean to offend anyone but that's just excuses. I don't follow any league here but if WG won the clan league...well they are the best clan. Sorry guys better luck next year.

Edited 8/24/2014 01:10:05

I agree with you slightly Incaman. Yes performing under pressure and winning the tournament should mean your the best a t that given moment however lets say a new country is formed...... Where do they get scaled? They have starting playing, and are quickly rising the rankings, many people believe they are #1 (which I do) are they discredited because they have only just now joined the league?

Arun has ""My Favorite"" list right now.

I did not make a ranking. I just re-tiered pulseys based on his ratings as JSA said.

Turtle contact Ineffable about WSOW, he is running that.

@Inca Your argument is nonsense.

Replace every game with a best of 7. then the winner is much more confidently the best, until then the winner is often just the person who got the luckiest when it mattered the most.