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Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 15:29:50


OnlyThePie
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There are a few of the maps I have seen that I'd like to change the bonus regions on to make the game more balanced/interesting, is there a way to download the map and alter it?
Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 15:41:03


Ford Guy
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Not without the mapmaker's permission. It's his work after all.
Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 15:41:58


OnlyThePie
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Ah, right. thanks
Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 15:59:45


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, only the mapmaker can download it.

I would love to be able to download and fix some of the popular ones (some have missing connections, etc), but you really can't.
Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 17:55:46

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And also it wouldn't be a good idea doing so as it would be too easy for someone to attach a virus to the svg file, or for a virus on the user's computer to attach itself to the svg.
Way to Download maps?: 8/13/2014 20:48:29


alex23
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It would have its pros and its cons, but I always thought that it would be interesting that, if mapmakers give their permission, Warlight could let the people who wanted to download the svg file of the maps.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 02:22:06

Mugzybrown
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I think it would be a great idea for people who have already created an SVG template of a map to share it so it can be easily tweaked.

You have nothing to lose and only a possibly awesome map to gain.

I for one would love to toy with a project for a 'large earth' type map but find the task of drawing all of the lands from scratch a little daunting
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 02:33:56


Richard Sharpe 
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Yea Mugzy, why do actual work when you can have someone else do it for you instead?!
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 04:20:19

Good Kid 
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Yeah Sharpe, why build upon those that came before you when reinventing the wheel is so much more useful.

"And also it wouldn't be a good idea doing so as it would be too easy for someone to attach a virus to the svg file, or for a virus on the user's computer to attach itself to the svg."

Not an issue. Not even remotely an issue. Server side virus-checking before saving a file upon downloading it is not only common but trivial to implement.

Edited 8/14/2014 04:21:37
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Good Kid 
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PS: There really needs to be a way to delete your own posts.

Edited 8/14/2014 04:22:26
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 08:05:20


skunk940 
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Map theft. There is the big problem with it that would stop any form of map sharing/editing by other users impossible.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 08:53:26


Incaman
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@Mugzybrown

"You have nothing to lose and only a possibly awesome map to gain." Right! Except simple minded teenage trolls making thousands upon thousands versions of the same map with dumb tweaks. And Good Kid, trust me maps are made the way they are because we made them that way. Want a more balanced map, go make one :D

Edited 8/14/2014 09:34:46
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Good Kid 
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Try rereading the thread.

The post you're attributing to me was not written by me.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 09:34:25


Incaman
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Yeah my bad :D sorry :D
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 12:19:12

Mugzybrown
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Why are people so concerned with protecting 'their work' ?

Are you generating revenue from your map?

Our whole world is built off of using other people's work.

When you need to write down a note, do you go cut down a tree and make some paper, and a pencil, mine for some grafiet, etc ?

Does warlight make you rewrite the code every time to upload & utilize your little artwork and have it work?
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 12:22:17


Richard Sharpe 
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Mugzy, your comparisons don't make sense since people do make money for those products and people spend money on them. Thus they are earned and not simply handed to you with no effort involved.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 15:19:09

6th Army Group
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The concern is that somebody else is going to "improve" the map and take another (likely skilled) map maker's work as theirs.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was attempted or succeeded in making a map, and aimed for the highest possible territory quality. Those who do make maps like this know that its ALOT of hard work, usually taking a couple of months and lots of research to finish. That is why some people do not want a random stranger taking the map, changing some settings that the creator did not even think about, and publishing it under their name.

That being said, I'm sure there are some map makers who may let you modify their maps, you just have to ask and say exactly what you plan to do.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 17:04:28

Good Kid 
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"Mugzy, your comparisons don't make sense since people do make money for those products and people spend money on them."

What? When has someone ever made money for making a Warlight map?
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 17:18:18


Mudderducker 
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Only for fixing connections and name corrections. I think it would be a good idea. Instead of downloading the map, perhaps access to the map editing page would be better.
Way to Download maps?: 8/14/2014 17:45:13


Beren • apex 
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The map creator should still be able to approve it reject the changes though. You could have people sabotaging maps otherwise
Way to Download maps?: 8/15/2014 08:38:45


skunk940 
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At the end of the day Warlight already 'rehomes' maps which are not fixed (connections wise). Also to address Mugzy, map makings spend hours and hours and hours making each map. It would be like any random person being able to enter a museum and start changing the paintings. Warlight map making is filled with preferences of the map maker, like all art forms thus there is not strict code of what is wrong and right in a map. What one person may view as 'fixing' could be another’s 'worsening'.
Way to Download maps?: 8/15/2014 15:35:21


Incaman
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Why are people so concerned with protecting 'their work' ?

I can't understand why did you use apostrophe here. Did you mean to imply that it's not our work, or you were just trying to make it seem insignificant?

Are you generating revenue from your map?

Not generating revenue of something doesn't mean that you don't get credit for making it and doesn't make it unimportant.

Our whole world is built off of using other people's work.

Only by incompetent, uncreative and lazy people. The rest of us actually use our brain to make something.

@skunk940

Well said :D
Way to Download maps?: 8/17/2014 07:42:23


skunk940 
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I like to protect my assets. Revenue generating or not they still represent me.

Also the apostrophes are to represent how loosely the terms can be used.

@ Incaman
Thanks
Way to Download maps?: 8/18/2014 18:32:13

Good Kid 
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"It would be like any random person being able to enter a museum and start changing the paintings."

Awful analogy.

It'd be like taking pictures of the paintings and photoshopping the photo. We're talking about downloading the map and editing it, and re-uploading a modified version, not editing your version.

"Only by incompetent, uncreative and lazy people. The rest of us actually use our brain to make something. "

I hope you built the computer, tablet, phone, etc. that you use to access the game. Otherwise you're being incompetent, uncreative, and lazy. And by build I don't mean assemble.

No, sorry, it's intelligent people that benefit from the work of others, it's only prideful idiots that reinvent the wheel solely for the sake of saying they made it.

Note: I acknowledge that your maps are your property, revenue-generating or not, I just disagree with your need to "protect" your work. Open source communities create truly fantastic things, and is the route I think all non-profit-generating projects should go.
Way to Download maps?: 8/18/2014 19:08:04


ChrisCMU 
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I don't understand why the need to download them without permissions. Just give feedback to the map maker. The only issue I see is inactive players. But again, allowing other people to make a version very close to it means they could simply download it, rename a territory that they think should be different, then submit it. Now we have two maps with no added value from the 2nd at all. There are already way too many maps IMO, ones that probably go completely unused. Why clutter it more? I'd rather see a system by Fizzer to fix maps with broken connections, etc.
Way to Download maps?: 8/18/2014 19:11:02


ChrisCMU 
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Good Kid - let's use your example (mobile phone for example). Suppose you could simply download the code to a free app, tweak something, then put it up on the app store with your name on it. That is pretty dishonest to me, even if it were a free app and you make no money. It still implies you did all the work when you did not.

Think about a school paper. Just change a couple words out and submit someone else's work. Who cares, right? You aren't making any money off it, what is the difference?

My point is that profit should not drive this topic. Money has nothing to do with it IMO.

Edited 8/18/2014 19:11:51
Way to Download maps?: 8/19/2014 01:51:10

Good Kid 
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Being able to edit someone's work does not mean being able to reupload it and claim it as an original work.

ie.: https://github.com/welcor/tbamud

A project I work on, you can download the code and edit it freely, but it still has a license which has requirements you must legally adhere to if you use the code, primarily regarding not claiming a modified version of it as your own original work.
Way to Download maps?: 8/19/2014 04:05:02


ChrisCMU 
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Well if it was a well played map, we would know who did the original.

Even if you did know, it does not address the issue of clutter. Better to fix the original than have a copy. Plus, eventually as the new one is played you would forget who did the original. Many times you dont even know without looking it up. I play europe a lot and i could not have told you troll made it until i looked.
Way to Download maps?: 8/19/2014 04:41:36

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Edited 8/19/2014 04:50:08
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Incaman
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"I hope you built the computer, tablet, phone, etc. that you use to access the game. Otherwise you're being incompetent, uncreative, and lazy. And by build I don't mean assemble."

No i didn't i just went to a sony factory and there it was just lying there so they simply handed over to me for free and they were even nice enough to ask me if i wanted to tamper with it. You know "make it better". But that's another story, and since we're talking about free, nonprofit things. Oh and yes I'M INCOMPETENT when it comes to building computers and mobile phones and also so many other things i know nothing about.

Just to make things clear, i have no problem with people downloading my maps and changing them for better. But i do have a problem with just about anyone downloading them. Let me make it clear: Someone could dislike how i named a territory, so he will download the map rename it "shitassfuck" and re-post the map. How does that improve anything? It only creates clutter as Chris said.

Mapmaker collaborate all the time, i can tell you this from experience. Rise of Rome was very different when i first made it, but after few tests and suggestions from other mapmakers it changed (for the better i hope). I would have no problem Ra changing something because i know he would do good work. So if you want to change something, show me what you can do, tell me what you want to change and why and we have no problem with it.
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