Ra doesnt replace x, they are completely different, you talk like youre trading pokemon.
In a broader sense i was wondering what 20 was for. It went from a RR tournament to a clan of people who played the tournament, to a clan of people you know and like, to a clan of people well known on wl. At this point is it just a group chat like most other clans?
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I was not selectively reading, I was summarising. I am so insulted that I have gone through and annotated your entire, ugly, post with my thoughts. Just to prove that I read and thought about everything you wrote:
"Why invite X? Or Lolowut? Same argument." So give us the argument. "Apparently both add enough value to be in 20 and Apex." circular logic, to paraphrase youre saying that they are in 20 because they add enough value to be in 20.
"If Ra replaces X and is at least as good as X (and Lolowut) as a 1v1 and team player and has more value than X (X's personality < Ra's mapmaking ability), how is there an issue?" Well the question was why did you invite ra, so i suppose the 'issue' is you not answering the question. You state that ra has more value than x, yet again, without explaining why you think that.
"How is Ra different on the level of personal affection? Didn't myhand hate X too? Didn't myhand dislike you, dead?" How indeed? Perhaps you answering these questions instead of merely asking them would shed light on why you invited ra.
"The first round of 20 invitations were based on three things:
(1) Core players: people that played a lot of games together, probably about 90% of the top 10-15 on Qi's (and myhand's) invite list.
(2) 20 league players: Players from the first two 20 leagues who had 20 in their tagline (to them, 20 was already sort of a clan) or didn't have a clan.
(3) Other top players who added value to 20: eg, Duke of Ben is good at FFAs, if Clan Wars (I thought it was going to happen soon) has FFAs, he is valuable."
Right, afaik ra doesnt fit into any of these categories so you could just as well have not said any of it and instead answered the question directly, but it was interesting to read none the less.
(4) I have been inviting based on value:" Once again youre implying that ra has "value". Im sure hes flattered but I would like more specificity.
"1v1 skills, good team players," Not ra "not part of a clan/looking for a new clan, talkative/friendly/interesting, active" Just about everyone on this site ", offer something that makes WL better or more interesting (X = forum, Lolowut = organization/discussion, Ra = maps)" AH! here we go, an answer. Ra = maps. Charming.
"try to have at least 3 players per native language (after darkw1ng joined, I have been interested in inviting at least two more Russian speakers, to make darkw1ng feel 20 better suits him: some players enjoy games with teammates who speak their native language)," Two in a row! He has value because hes russian.
"trying to add a programmer if CLOTs ever become more viable (ps and krazychu have been invited)." Again not Ra
So at the end of wading through all that, selectively reading every last word, the TL;DR is that he is russian and good at making maps. All the other stuff did not pertain to my question at all. If anyone actually read this entire post I would love to hear from you, I suspect everyone is long gone from this thread.
Edited 8/8/2014 06:05:51
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I was arguing because i was insulted by Qis terrible answer (i shouldnt take bad arguments personally but damn it i do) and his accusation that i read selectively. I am a conscientious reader, especially of forum BS.
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Ra is demonstrably good enough for 20. He is literally in 20, for me to say he wasnt good enough to do something he is currently doing would be ridiculous. It surely wouldnt take a dozen paragraphs for you to refute me.
What I was asking (the question marks imply that no argument is being made) was why. I can see why you missed that given that my one line post opened with the tortuously ambiguous: "Why did you invite ra?" What could that possibly mean? What information does that sentence seek to ascertain? How were you to see that i was asking a question rather than making an argument? The fault is clearly mine for being so obtuse.
And yet serendipitously you did actually end up answering the question! hallelujah, and praise fizzer. I had only to wade through a few hundreds words of minutiae and mathematical notation. Buried beneath the parentheses and equals signs i found the little nugget of truth I was curious to see. To save the other poor forum frequenters from having to do the same archaeology I did, I posted an informal tl;dr.
Edited 8/8/2014 06:48:27
BREAKING NEWS: Scandal in 20! Myhand Quits!: 8/8/2014 07:57:27