As I go to church for Christmas these people will be in my prayers.

The poor judgment you demonstrate by belief in christianity is comparable to the same 'grasp on reality' (try using your own words next time), or lack thereof, shown by the other gun nuts in this thread.

Inability to look at facts and draw logical conclusions, and scarcity of independent thought, is what causes the high rate of church attendees and the high rate of death by firearms in America.

So go take your holier-than-thou patronisation elsewhere. You are indirectly responsible for those children's deaths. And learn how to spell sadness, you embarass yourself.


Ironheart and Gui, I wasn't trying to convert anyone. I was only defending myself from disgusting and baseless insults, which I am still receiving. I care as little for philosophy as I do the deaths of strangers, adult or child. I have no intention of changing anyone's mind, since it makes no difference to me what you believe in (though I would be glad for some company.) Take Trollussa, I have no intention of convincing him that philosophical suicide is less desirable than the real thing.

And if you feel I over-reacted to any of these subhuman scum, such as rosston, it is only because they so deeply offended me.

x i have three words for you



go to hell


whether you believein it or not you should respect others religion and not try to make people believe in wht you believe rosston like myself actually have empathy and a conciense and we believe in God. stop bitching and let the thread go please

And how dare you wish us a merry christmas. I thought we weren't allowed to be merry, because death exists in the world? Or are you completely over their deaths already, since that was a whole 5 days ago and there is royal baby news on the 24-hour news now?

Watch me be a good Christian and turn the other cheek to Hell bender.

Though, I don't see how posting 4 minutes after you is stopping the thread from dying. Trust me, without the relative intelligence of Gui and Trollussa to contend with, I'd be glad to see it die.

X though I am a fellow athiest, I completely disagree with you. Though many people die everyday in Africa, this does not mean we should give little importance to the deaths of innocent children. I believe instead of praying we mst take logical steps to prevent further massacres. Wether this be with gun control or whatever. You coming on here and blatantly trying to offend people is just sad, so sad I might actually consider praying for you. ( That would be the first time in my life) Anyway continue on with your hateful rants, I know I can not persuade you. Good day

Recently there has been a surge of articles about kids who may cause trouble.

I worry with such a large emotionally charged response as yours. Please be good X.

If you don't believe in Christmas, have a happy holiday.

Meh, guys this thread died with my amazing (even if expectable) philosophical victory,
why did you horrible subhumans dare to reply to the relatevely smart guy x, giving him the chance of revenging for the rape of his easy-rapeable philosophy?
He will be nihilistic, he will be cruel, he will be x!

Nihilism isn't a philosophy. You didn't strike a victory, I just didn't bother to respond to you since you said it was your last post.

If you want a response, then I say that just because subjectivity is all we can achieve, doesn't make it meaningful.

If every single human, from Hitler to Hell bender to myself, can make their own meaning, then meaning becomes meaningless. If anything can become meaningful, simply by my decision that it is, including completely contradictory things, what is the point? Why should I make one thing meaningful and not the other? What if I give meaning to slaughtering children? Am I a God yet according to Nietzche? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb#Trial

If you believe in evolution, you cannot believe in free will. Humans are animals too, although most of them cannot see the wood for the trees. Ultimately we are controlled by genes. Where in evolution is there meaning? You may as well say that the planets in their orbits create their own meaning, and their meaning consists of revolving around a star until it engulfs them. A sad version of meaning.

The main thrust of existentialism seems to concern our choice of what is and isn't meaningful. But my determinism precludes me from this.

Nietzche is a lot of fun, especially when he calls women cows, and the psychology of his aphorisms is cutting. But I don't turn to him for advice on how to live my life.

You became nihilist because the search for the truth is impossible, the consequence of nihilism is that the truth is irrilevant, but your becoming nihilistic was dued to the very search of truth and in this way you gave the truth the relevance that your philosophy denies...

I found the truth, it is nihilism. Not impossible.

I made the presentiment that truth was meaningful when I began my 'search'. If I had begun with attempting to prove that truth was meaningful, I would have reached nihilism before I began.

The truth is irrelevent. I am not better than you, because I am right and you are wrong. We'll both die. Probably you are happier than me. Happiness too is meaningless, but I still want for it, because I am not as inhuman as some believe. Does the fact that I want for it make it meaningful? No, that is a naturalistic fallacy.

Incidentally, Nietzche would be disappoint with you, because he said to get rid of your slave morality and make your own :) not to keep the slave morality and then just quote Heidegger's arguments all the time.

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Yes, rosston, I get outraged when someone calls me a sociopath based on little to no evidence. That's not a medical opinion, that's an insult. So fuck you.

And please be good rosston, try not to slaughter any unbelievers this Christmas, as your Holy Book commands you. And if God tells you to take a child up a mountain and sacrifice him, please don't, no matter what Kierkegaarde says.

And if you feel I over-reacted to any of these subhuman scum

I didn't expect anyone to interpret this correctly, since it is difficult in text, but this is merely irony.

Wether this be with gun control or whatever. You coming on here and blatantly trying to offend people is just sad

The first thing is exactly what I said. Moros and others mentioned African children. Sweet baby Richard Dawkins, what a bunch of morons you all are.

I never tried to offend anyone. Mine eyes were offended by Hell bender's original post. I was then sneered at by Boston Phoenix, Lolowut, Gui and others.

If my weltanschaaung offends you, it amuses me. If you think I'm not going to make jokes because of dukkha, you're wrong. Like Trollussa says, we make our own meaninglessness, and this is my particular brand.

I don't intend to insult you, but your responses are odd considering the tragedy. And I personally find them troubling.

It's no measure of health to be accepted by a sick society. I think Hell bender's response, which was to make a thread about it on the warlight forum, was odd. I find the foam-mouthed moral outrage of his subsequent comments to be very troubling indeed. I suppose you cultists are wary of anyone with an opposing viewpoint.

You seem to have backpedalled rapidly, by the way, I am no longer mentally ill, by the criteria "they" decided upon?

My nihilism = 'gaming nihilism': nothing said here (unrelated to things that actually matter) really matters and it is all a game.

Interesting ideas/stats, Mosq. In the US people like to say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." (As if it is a breakthrough in human intelligence to think that guns cannot pull their own triggers.) I think Hunter's Safety Course, a prerequisite to getting a hunting license in Wisconsin, should be required to purchase, own and use a gun, just like how we need to pass a driving test to get a driver's license. In Wisconsin each hunting season (small game, turkey, deer, etc.) has limits on which types of guns can be used. I think requiring a gun safety course (with both written and field tests) and limiting the types of guns to be purchased to reasonable hunting guns (reasonable in the sense that we don't need automatic guns or machine guns to hunt) would be a good start to solving America's gun problems.

The Constitution ensures the right to bear arms, but to assume that citizens should have the right to own machine guns or assault rifles as if such weapons would be enough to overwhelm a tyrannical government with much more sophisticated land, sea and air capabilities is anachronistic.

I want to make this very clear.

If it was my mention of not intending to insult you. I don't intend to insult you. I don't know you.

There are certain elements in your responses that make me extremely concerned.

Ahah yeah actually I did promise that that was my last post:(
So I will very brief since I hope this will be my very last one.
If you want a response, then I say that just because subjectivity is all we can achieve, doesn't make it meaningful.

If every single human, from Hitler to Hell bender to myself, can make their own meaning, then meaning becomes meaningless. If anything can become meaningful, simply by my decision that it is, including completely contradictory things, what is the point? Why should I make one thing meaningful and not the other? What if I give meaning to slaughtering children? Am I a God yet according to Nietzche?

What Hitler has done (just to make an example) has a meaning, not for me, not for you but for him. And the same goes for everybody. You say that subjectivity is irrilevant bacuse is not objective, but you agree that objectiveness doesn't exist, subjectiveness exist though, and for the subject is relevant!

If you don't understand this, and if you are so closed mind in keep on repeating every time your learned by heart stuff, then yes this must be my last post because the conversation won't lead to anywhere.

About planets, there is not even need to answer, about evolution: yes, if some animals have a will, they can produce their own meaning as well, the fact that it isn't complex doesn't require that it doesn't exist.

About Nietzsche I am happy you loved his worse and less senseful part, that was mainly dued to the fact that syphilis has driven him crazy. About Heidegger I just want to say that I have been aware of his theories only after that I had already found on myself those concepts, I always talk about him because quoting him should me quicker than explaining every time the whole stuff.

Anyway if you are so stubborn in keep on denying what is evidently recognized by every philopher in the 20th century, I am just sorry for you; since in that case you are the one who doesn't believe in evolution, because you are attached to your first philosophical achievement and you are not willing to search for others, infact you should put in discussion all you believe in; or to make it more poetical you seem to me like a shipwrecked guy who has find a little rock in the ocean and he is not willing to leave that rock in order to reach the coast, because there are chances that he will drown, and so he will be stuck there pretending that that rock is a big continent.
In other word you are a philosophical coward:/

Too be honest x has hijacked this thread and has distracted everyone from the real issue and debate and has also made it about himself and making it worst each posts he makes.So x is this behaviour of being center of attention normal for a nihlist sounds ironic does it not.

@Mars: exactly! You got to begin with something. And thx for your constructive post, sth. that is a real sparsity in this thread.

I know about the U.S. constitutional right to bear arms, sth. that makes changes more difficult than elsewhere. But there sure are possibilities without compromising this constitutional right: great care should be taken about the minimum age for this right. I d propose the same age you are allowed to drink beverages containing alcohol, i think its 21 years in most states. Moreover, the storage of firearms should be restricted to a safe, allowing only the owner to have access to that safe. Moreover, it might be a good idea to outlaw all firearms that are not registered to his owner and to introduce some control for enforcement.

mars i understand your post we have a similar course in North carolina before you can own a weapon there is a class on firearm safety you must take i also believe any military assualt rifles should only go to the military not to the public

So x is this behaviour of being center of attention normal for a nihlist sounds ironic does it not.

It doesn't sound ironic to me, but then, I actually know the definition of irony.

Trust me, as much as I enjoy defending myself, I wish I didn't have to. I wish Rosston et al weren't so intent on defaming me.

My nihilism = 'gaming nihilism': nothing said here (unrelated to things that actually matter) really matters and it is all a game.

This is completely true. I wouldn't argue if I didn't enjoy it. Trollussa's philosophy and your pseudo-philosophy have no actual impact on your lives, and I reject philosophy itself. So it is nothing more than a sport.

you agree that objectiveness doesn't exist, subjectiveness exist though, and for the subject is relevant!

Relevance is different from meaning. I agree that my subjective perspective is the only one that is relevant to me. Still, it carries no meaning.

And anyway, since my subjective view of the world is a nihilistic one, what can you do to change it? If you reject objectivity, you reject with it logic and truth. So what are your tools to convince me? If our subjective viewpoints are equal, what makes yours preferable?

I'd also like to point out for rosston and the other half-wits that Trollussa is justifying with his philosophy the murder of children. He didn't blink for a second in his reaction to it. Worse than I ever did.

About planets, there is not even need to answer, about evolution: yes, if some animals have a will, they can produce their own meaning as well, the fact that it isn't complex doesn't require that it doesn't exist.

Durrrr

Maybe for pigs and goats your philosophy is nice. Because then they can give meaning to eating grass and rolling around in the mud. And they can call themselves Ubergoats and Uberpigs. And there can be Ubercrabs who can give meaning to sucking blood from the pubis. How lovely for everyone.

About Heidegger I just want to say that I have been aware of his theories only after that I had already found on myself those concepts, I always talk about him because quoting him should me quicker than explaining every time the whole stuff.

Fair enough. I guess Heidegger is slightly less incomprehensible than you are.

last paragraph

Nihilism is no achievement, it is a null hypothesis. All your silly self-justifiying philosophies that appeal to the heart and not the mind fail to convince me. You cannot even prove that it is better to be right than to be wrong. So, if you think I am wrong, than let me be wrong. Why I should want to be correct is beyond me, and beyond you.

So call me an existentialist. I will spend the rest of my life giving subjective meaning to things. How much differently will I act? Not at all. What will happen to me? Nothing. Why should I bother with philosophy, literally 'the love of knowledge', when everything I know indicates that knowledge is worthless? You tell me.

Look at the two of us. We're both arguing, with equal disrespect, on the internet. So how does existentialist Trollussa differ from nihilist Trollussa?

but in the end your still the same old douchebag

Pray for me, Hell bender.