sorry for double post. You know something is wrong with your clan when your own members are conspiring against each other and hating on their own clan.

interesting....

@The empyrean
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A) In my games, my rules ! there arent an autoboot? you MUST wait ,especially when I wrote in chat " he is here! " (he had connection problems... him boot rate is 1%....)
B) they have used 8-10 mins per turn? ok I can understand, its madness also for me, but YOU was in the STRONG team against the WEAK team....after the yellow played like a retard : advancing with all the armies, and he have also lost austria like an idiot,I had to play for him, and also help high (many orders did not make sense)....
..but you have boot him where you were clearly going to LOSE ( in my opinion you should surrender turns ago)
I really can not think you were acting in "good faith" , considering also that high was the last surviving member of our team and with him booted you would have won a game UNDESERVED!!, but rather that you frustated by constant defeats, sought a way to have your dirty victory! (Sincerely ...how many games i have boot someone cause he was to long to commit?... like myhandisonfire?? but at least, after,i have voted to end....in your bad situation there you would also gained...!!)
Thats why i have BLACKLISTED you!

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A)My games in 1v1 are less than 3000, and most of them are in eu -rl,
I started playing this map immediately after its creation by issander(a good editor that creates particular maps different from the usual) and YES most of my opponents did not know the productive areas of the map......ignorants! ..was so difficult to read the legend at left of the map?? and sincerely ..now, after you've also created the tournament called "Il Duce" to search a competition able to beat me....I continue to dont see players that have some chance of winning against me...yes i have see some good individualist that studying my game knew where to stand but this was not enought to beat me....was a joke for me to win this tournament....
B)My 3v3 games ??? i play against weak teams? I thought I had already said that i play just for fun, and I usually play currently at other works....i need quickly games where I did not think,(i have try in 41 % wins limit a good solution to have decent opponents and quickly games to start ...i dont have 1 hours to wait before the start of the game, Thats for me is MADNESS),to play with my friends(YES! obviusly these friends are good players...elite! , wm , 20 and other great players..)...but if they play with me , they are going to inflats their stats right? looks like the 99% of the players of this game are inflatuled , cause all games with less than 50% wins like pre-requisite are for statbooster....but are you sure that these players are interested at their stats?..clearly not...
..but if I play with bad players like teamates: or I lose for their bad moves or if I try to help them and we use more time, you boot them.... thats a circle..

-But you are not interested at this...you CRY because certain players have better stats than you, and this is offencive to you!
Looks like the same children that say stats do not means nothing are the same noobs who judge players for their stats......realy STATS DONT PLAY!
->I will help you not to cry: dont click in my "player profile" and dont see my stats....are also hidden ...

...you CRY because i have called my team #Elite! instead than #justgood players! or #Mafia!, #Gladiators ecc ecc. You know how much I care if they are not elite? nothing!, they are not elite like wm are not war masters and like dragons are not dragons (i hope they are humans...), but all clearly good players!!
->I will help you not to cry: create your clan and call it "#we-are-better-than-Elite!

...your sense of superiority to everyone and everything led you to launch a crusade against us,creating fakes #elite! accounts , boot people with them, insult us , for after post all this in forum with other fake accounts......trying to discredit the honest players and for create CHAOS!
With this childish behaviour , what do you think of obtain??
...you think that we will change the name of the team, and that we will accept your claims?
sincerely before this crusade began we were a group of three unknown noobs, but after a lot of good players have asked to join and dozens of players who do not know every day that they invite me in games just because they heard my name in the forum and they ask to play with the infamous beelzebub....
I think you have miscalculated the side effects of your crusade, you're getting the opposite effect....I hope I do not have to pay for your publicity!

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"Beebz, if you are so elite," ....I never said to be elite , i limit myself to beat you!but maybe i will back in #Elite!, and based on my experience with you.....you have not for sure impressive me! you!, like these fantomatic "much better players" have lost too many games against me....anyhow im not interested to enter in your childish discussion about "Who is better than who", and not drag me in!!
When you fisrt met me, you had much more experience than me, considering you've joined warlight long time before me, my 3v3 was not for sure 90% cause i have increase until i get to 90 with thousand of games...and these were my first appearances in europe map...and also on this occasion you have been shown to be an asshole...
but probably you were right ....but after thousand of games
we played again against, and I will have improved for sure, but you have not proven to be this great player who you say you are, in fact your team is going to lose for your BAD moves .... and the game you mentioned is an example of this...and yes I add it in my favorite games because I played a perfect game(facilitated by your ridiculous play),but the best was for sure ottarin....and him defence in iceland..
About our 3v3 championship game in middle east , just the fact that we are in final its a good result, aniway i dont see these my bad moves, you destroyed our advantage with a greater LUCKY SHOT where you have break my bonus 7v5 and you have also lost only 2 armies!!(One chance in a million!!!)....these are not better moves!! ...if this had not happened, probably you would be to be eliminated....

Must I rejoin the ladder to show at you my level?
-I do not play more 1v1 for a long time...dont give me fun!
-I do not play multi-day ,because they make me lose a lot of time and I do not want to depend on a game, play my turn after 3 days dont give me fun!
-I have play some game on this template but i dont like it, and i hate cards!!, so dont give me fun!

If you wanted to play against me, you could do in the tournament "Il Duce", but you pushed forward other players as CANNON FODDER! and you declined saying you was sick...strange disease that is during several months! COWARD!

So next time let's try to compare your brain with the brain of a rat!

@Arc..
your childish comments are not even worthy of a response..How old are you?..14-15-16?
...I suppose I guessed right?..and I'm not a magician!
Considering your ridicoulus level of play and your 3v3 stats (61%) i realy doubt that you usualy play with high prerequisites, so at least shut up noob! and learn to play....

"How long will it take before you realize that almost the entire WarLight community despises you Beelzebub? "
maybe, you're referring to other children who do not want to study and that they waste time on forum? it's reciprocal..i dont like kids...
At priests like children!... cmon run! its the hour of the children in the church!

your accusing ME of a high level of playing? Mr. 7000+ games?

The fact is that virtually the whole WarLight community does not want you around. Why should you care about what kinds of games I play w/out prereqs? At least I don't cheat almost every single one of my wins.

Seriously, how many posts on this thread actually commend you? Try to get a life somewhere besides WarLight, because none of us want you here.

Also, let me ask you, was this post really just insulting you pointlessly the entire time like your's was?

How long will it take you to realize the amount of hate on this game related to you, you ignoramus?

@ARC Who are you to speak for the Warlight community? Besides, Beel might be wrong in a lot of things, but he is right about you.

I don`t want to miss the next episode of Beel&Co#telenovela!. I am curious what happenes next week, when The Empyrean is about to face the accusations of the Archvillain Beel.

Myhand, I can see where you are coming from agreeing with Beelz, but its neither his nor your choice of how I will play.

Quite frankly, search "Belzebu" on the forum, I can guarantee you that you will not find thread after thread of commendations for his playing.

I don't want to get into a blacklisting war with a bunch of players that are stronger and more experienced than I am. I only want to play WarLight with players around my skill level. That's why I like to play with members of clans like Dragon and RSP.

Myhand, thank you for the somewhat kindly-worded post. What's annoying me about Beelebub is not necessarily that he cheats his games, but that he acts wuite arrogantly in the forums. How am I supposed to have a legitimate covnersation with those kinds of posts? (those by Beelz)

I prefer bel over arc. Thats my opinion.

@Arc"The fact is that virtually the whole WarLight community does not want you around. Why should you care about what kinds of games I play w/out prereqs? At least I don't cheat almost every single one of my wins.

Seriously, how many posts on this thread actually commend you? Try to get a life somewhere besides WarLight, because none of us want you here. "
so esy to count that as cyberbullying
also how do you know he cheats all his games i have accusations but no conclusive proof and just him playing maps he understands and know well better than other people like real life europe,nothing wrong there.
Also even if he stays on warlight all day you can still argue he has a life outside warlight because he is living at side warlight in his life.Just wait till me can download our consciousness to the internet then you could say that with more accuracy iv he was on 24/7.To be honest life outside warlight can be boring sometimes.Life inside warlight all the time is not bad but epic.
Am rambling on anyway my point is you can not say the whole community wants him to go not really fact unless you somehow emposed your opinion on the whole community.Ha i can remember when a few Elite members thought i was anti-Elite just cause i was not on their side in 2 threads.

"dont give me fun!"

im actually laughing so hard

beebz, many things "don't give you fun," but you "do give me fun."

congrats on winning the tournament named after you (il duce -- not il douche). i made that as a favor for you. you told me you never got any good competition on that map. if you recall, at that time you and sze (and maybe someone else) were having a war of words over who is best. i was not part of the conversation and was not interested in it. but i was dragged into it somehow, being invited to play in tournaments. i had a serious cold and was not interested, but i did say that if you joined another tournament, i'd join the one i made for you. did you join the other one? i don't remember, but i don't think you did. if you did, show the link. but you proved that you are one of the best players on a map with your custom multi-attack settings on an obscure map not normally played as a 1v1 (remember, i used your template for the tournament) that you have played 1500-2500 times and everyone else not in #elite* has probably never played. practice makes perfect.

yes, making it to the championship game is fine. it should be expected though. there weren't many strong teams in the tournament (maybe only 2-4). your own words, however, are further proof that you are not as good as you think you are: "aniway i dont see these my bad moves, you destroyed our advantage with a greater LUCKY SHOT where you have break my bonus 7v5 and you have also lost only 2 armies!!(One chance in a million!!!)....these are not better moves!! ...if this had not happened, probably you would be to be eliminated...." so you think your team's advantage over my team's and your advantage over me was due to one move, a lucky 7v5? i disagree.

(1) your bad moves: your team had a slight advantage. apparently you didn't recognize it. given my positioning, you had a major advantage over me in our battle. if i were you and you were me fighting in the same area, believe me, the game would already be over. what did you do? instead of exploiting my relative weakness, you attacked neutrals to selfishly grow, proving you don't understand how to exploit weakness and seize the moment. what did i do? i expected you to not understand how to beat a better player at the right time, so i just attacked you (the weak attacking the strong, and winning, defies the proper order of things). also, among your options once i outplayed you with my weaker income and troop numbers, you have made the worst possible choices: i was able to protect my ally's bonus with a 2v1 attack in an area you should have deployed troops; then you ran away, afraid to fight me, fearing elimination (if i had the 1 bonus in iraq -- see below -- that bonus you escaped would be mine already too, making your elimination imminent). maybe your limited experience facing elimination forces you to imitate what your weak opponents do against you when you play them on the real-life europe 1v1 multi-attack 1v1 that you so love and few others understand? now do you see that you made mistake after mistake, and the 7v5 attack was only a small part of your being outplayed?

(2) luck: the attacks that mattered were in the 2 bonus, not the 1 bonus where the 7v5 happened. with respect to the 7v5: your team's overall luck is still higher than my team's. this can be proven once the game ends and you can apparently use the stats function to analyze the game. it'll all be there, turn by turn. i got a 7v5 to bust a 1 bonus. so? my other attacks on you were the most successful ones. why did you let me take that 1 bonus the next turn, if you think it is so important? if keeping that 1 bonus meant life or death to you (6 income vs 5 income), why did you let me gain it? luck during first two turns: your team got a 9v6 (to clear tim from the area where you were able to gain an advantage over me) and got a last turn (equal number of moves i think) 4v3 (to gain an advantage elsewhere); a couple turns later my 5v3 against your teammate was unsuccessful. instead of clearing him from iraq to get a 1 bonus, he cleared me the next turn. if i had that 1 bonus i would've gained another two bonuses quicker and the game would be over for sure. instead, your team still has a slight chance to win, but with each passing turn, our advantage grows. so there have been 4 lucky moves: your team won 3, my team won 1. if there were 0 lucky moves or if my team had won half of them, the game would be all but over. so you are lucky to still have a slight chance to win.

if you care, beebz, we can post the game here once it ends and ask people to compare our moves. the only reason why i focus on this game is because the teams are relatively balanced (on paper). our common games are very limited: (a) i had blacklisted you after you joined my teams in 3v3 games and we won only 1 of 3 games against teams i usually beat without you; (b) when sze and myhand were beating your elite teams for having the audacity to call yourselves elite, i was not interested in playing you (i already knew you weren't elite, no matter your name); (c) now you have blacklisted me; and (d) i still have little interest in playing you more than i already have (i only enjoy talking to you because you say such interesting things: "don't give me fun," "everyone who questions me is childish!").

At first i didn't even read this thread because i figured it was just another elite noob thread, then when i saw that it had gone of for a week or 2 with so many posts i decided to read it. This thread is ridiculous. You guys are arguing like little children for 51 posts. So what you don't like each other, get over it. Fighting like this is not making warlight any better and it sure isn't getting you 2 to like each other anymore than you already do. Also people are you really laughing at Beelzebub because he doesn't speak the greatest english? More acting like children. Anybody that doesn't like Beelzebub just don't play with him no need to talk about how nobody likes him in this thread that was originally created to alert people cheaters that were also impostors. Illuminati that was really mature of you to apologize, i think that is probably the only mature thing said in this thread.

Thread-I have nuthing against chu, so I beseech you, that you may die in peace now. Like, don't bumpity anymore.

ryan the high school prophet crusades against ignorance and immaturity, using enlightened righteousness as his weapon. bow down, wl community, to his moral authority! we are but children to the child, naive fools to the naive, laughing stocks to the laughable moralist. fight no more! a war forum should not involve war or even occasional fights! unite! form clans that profess brotherly love! together, we can pioneer a new path of enlightened righteousness! when unsure, ask this simple question: what would ryan do?

Thank You Gui, thats exactly what i was thinking. But seriously, what is the point of you continuing to argue with Beelzebub? What is it going to accomplish.

one function of the forum: entertainment. beebz is an entertainer. ever talk to him in a game? he is very interesting.

where you see an argument, i see a game.

so in a nutshell - are they or aren't they cheaters? :P

I don't know why you are telling us all this when you can rap about it...

@kszyhoo, they are cheaters but they are not actually part of elite, they just added the tag without being allowed into the clan

Thread over.