dunga, if you catch me real-time sometime next week with HHH also online please invite me and Kage to a series of 2vs2 games.

usually i do too. it's double elimination. so we're still alive. just have to play more games.

Dunga: "I would like to see the statistics of games against 1st places holders.
me and hhh are 7-1 in that matter, probably in first place."

Too bad Luxis got booted in our game, I was sure we were gonna win before that. But I do agree that you 2 are a real solid 2v2 team.

dunga, 7-1 is 5-1 and frank makes it seem like it should be 4-2. you encouraged me to rejoin the ladder as denzyman and myself, since i'm not satisfied with my two games with you two: as myself/denzyman, luck of picks determined the game; with unknown, busy schedules and growing indifference to the ladder led to poor (read 'no') communication during the picking stage. me: "why did you pick that, unknown?" unknown: "i wanted you to change your picks but i made mine too late and didn't want to bother risking a boot by trying to communicate with you."

it's easy to 'dominate' if the opponents don't cooperate or the computer system gives you an advantage.

Go go, Gui!
Real denzyman supports you! :)

Anyone wants to start betting? About a week ago I was asked about best 2vs2 ladder team and since Monsenhor quit and myhand/Salah do not play 2vs2 ladder I was quite confident Gui/denzyman was the potential #1, go prove me right Gui :)

any top teams want to increase your game count? i need a second game

well, i am kind of embaressed really by my misscounting.
I counted the number of tabs i had open very quickly, clearly i coudnt trust myself with this method and should've double checked. I would not want to enhance a statistic that could easily be checked.

The game against frank and luxis was not in a final stage for them, was playable for more turns, was not gg for them.

And if any of you wants a match with 2 accounts is not the same as playing against a team, i would accept with accounts of my own.


and Empyrean, you waste too many lines trying to give excuses that only matter to you, being a good communicator or not, having a trustfull partner or not, or having luck or not is part of the game, because in the end, after playing enough games, who is best is the one winning more.

For instance I think if anyone thinks of himself of the best 1v1 player I would say he have to prove himself against Szeweningen, because in my view he has the best results in the past months.


So, how we going to settle this dispute?
4 teams playing 3 games against each other?

me and HHH
gui and denzyman?
szewening/myhand/salah?
who will be in the 4th team?

That's a good idea dunga...Perhaps Luxis and Frankdeslimste for the 4th team?

i made a tournament bc myhand said he wants to practice the 2v2 ladder. either he will join my team or szewn can (he also wants to practice). that tournament is for myhand, not anyone's hubris.

regarding the 'dispute': the ladder templates are very luck dependent. so there is no way to figure out which team is best in a short time. sample sizes are and will probably always be too low. teams come and go. motivation, focus and interest rise and fall. i joined the ladder to increase one sample size. if you feel you have something to prove, make a tournament. the best ladder settings 2v2 teams i've watched play are v and chaos, the fbgs, the pwns and monsehnor/hhh. get v/chaos and the pwns (fbgs won't, the template bores them) into multiple RRs with other top ladder and non-ladder teams and the results would speak for themselves. but since the template isn't the best 2v2 template and the map is overplayed, i doubt anyone is interested except you and me.

until then we only have subjective arguments and the occasional pride-driven insult. but that can be fun too. i for one like to see the fiery dunga bubble to the surface to see what you really think. too many players here hide behind anonymous accounts and are still too timid to speak their minds. maybe they need to wear masks while using anonymous accounts to have more courage.

regarding sze: someone needs to buy sze a membership for him to prove himself on the 1v1 ladder. he is not able to buy one (his extra money is for booze and cigars) and cant win one (he's always a bridesmaid and never the bride). my record against him is very much in my favor. sze likes challenges: i'd have to lose a bunch to him, see him outdo me on the ladder and see him train someone who can outdo niko. then i'd change my name to sze's slave and retire my main account.

fizzer doesn't like competition. he took my team off the ladder. too much talk about competing makes him nervous.

Of course i have my fiery side, ask my ex-wife.
But still, all with respect, i still like the people I can speak my mind as you say and the way you put yourself out there is because you clearly dont mind having this kind of feedback once and while.
No harm done right?

I think I need to play lots more games with top players to have a bigger sample as you say. Because, the two big loosing records I had I have been setting straight in the last games (heyheuhei and lollipop). And in the 2v2 I know you realize the level of this game is rising, and you need to keep understand of how people are playing (SPECIALLY all the players you teached very well, congratulations man, really wonderfull job with that, honestly) to keep having good results, and at this point we can say we are in fact solid and should be consider, result-wise and gameplay-wise. Of course we have flaws, I see in him and myself, he sees in me and himself, if we talked more we would be even better, but when the important turns we keep doing the right moves that puts us with solid records so far. Its up to the players starting taking advantages of our flaws and build up a gameplay the players will look up too.

I said yesterday while commentating on the game szeweningen vs fizzer that to me you (empyrean) and szeweningen are the best players in my point of view. I dont saw enough of Salah and myhand in 1v1 and 2v2 (which are the games i play more) but i know they are in the list. Heyheuhei in the end has absolutely fantastic records and results everywhere, but there is that fact we see him too little express himself, and there is the fact of sometimes loosing games he shoudnt (we need to account the fact he plays WAAAY too many games, and all the players he plays make a huge deal about it and put much more effort in the game than him).


BTW, i like the fact of having a bad record against neither, as well as to any top player. I liked when you said I was too good to being teached, I also liked when szeweningens said a turn of mine was the best (or one of the best) he remembered seeing in the game. In the last LIVE tournaments i created, we had a set of several games (i think 2 tournaments we played 3 games), at least 3 of them were epic, probably among the top 20 games this game ever read, a study case for sure.

Anyway, I also sometimes put myself outthere and I think i should be consider. I have against me the fact i didnt menage to get a good enough run to ensure at the 1st place in the ladder for a brief moment. It feels like i am out of the selective players club.
You put yourself in the 1st spot and at least 2 more players.
you bragged about your students beating or almost beating me. Was only a small run for them, your system really is finding difficult beating my style regularly (still need to play Niko in his new phase).

Anyway, thanks for what you doing (not this part about teasing fizzer), even the way you tease people can make they be better players.
You making me speak my mind is something i am likeing to do

i found it funny when i noticed guys i was helping were the only ones you had lost to in a certain period. so i jokingly apologized to you for having helped them a little. i wouldn't consider any player i helped as having my style. i just give them ideas to help them make their own style more effective/smooth. they tend to remain efficient for a good period of time and then try to experiment with slightly less efficient approaches, which has led to a minor but significant decrease in the smoothness of their play.

i'm glad you think i'm better than hhh. fizzer won't let me use denzys account to beat you and hhh. but maybe hhh will read this and have lower morale or trust you less in your games. more losses for you could be a win for the inactive me. :(

seriously though, i'd like to see both ladders become clusterfucks in which all games feel like playing paper, scissor, rock. then maybe better maps and settings would be used.

negative feedback on an anonymous site with people i'll never meet: it's ok.

i dont think heyheuhei will have problems with what i wrote, he still is one of the best in my opinion, and in overall results. I am very happy to be his teammate, not everything is about pride.

and you have a dark side that loves chaos, always pushing towards it.


and btw, i dont think we are close to mastering in the full extent both templates, they offer some kind of challenge, and luck plays some part in every sport, warlight has its share, no reason we should disconsider results, specially when we already have hundreds of most players, is a fair sample.

Nadal, Federer and Djokovic they win against all players, but loose to each other, that is very common when the level is very high, and are multiple players in that level.

I have no problems in loosing games I did my best and played well, you find analizing/blaming luck very important. Is more a question of philosophical approach. Maybe if you are loosing to LUCK ONLY in 100% of your games your actual results should be consider the best possible achievement skillwise.

anyway man, i said i respected you and admired your game and you used it against me, take a step back.

chinese has a saying: 笑里藏刀 (behind the smile hides a knife). most people on this site are this way -- smiling publicly while hiding evil thoughts, jeolousy, rage, pride or negativity while always expecting the worst of others or misreading intent. so i do the opposite: 刀里藏笑. i am not disillusioned as to the importance of wl. it serves to alleviate boredom and negativity while i'm exiled in asia. i think those who harbor negativity while appearing otherwise are interesting.

Dunga would you mind posting links for the games you're referring to please?

"In the last LIVE tournaments i created, we had a set of several games (i think 2 tournaments we played 3 games), at least 3 of them were epic, probably among the top 20 games this game ever read, a study case for sure."

That was a very disrespectful thing to say, and I'm sorry that you feel that way Gui.

Now I see how you got your name lolowut. People must respond to you a lot with "lol. what?"

was your last comment to me Gui?

Because i dont have no hiding knife, because i dont have no Jeolousy, Rage or Pride (here in warlight at least) and of course sometimes I have my negativity.
I may have misread your intentions yes, sorry about that, but you seem to poke a lot, was unnecessary your lines about Heyheuhei.
I dont have no problem with you neither have no bad intentions towards you, I have just small opositions of what sometimes you say, and I come here and spoke to you to your front, and you even said this what you prefer, rather than hiding.

anyway
you maybe misread me too, because i have no bad intentions towards you. I dont have it now and never had it before, just gave my opinions while trying to not be disrepectfull.

Or I can congratulate you one more time for being an awesome player and a superb teacher, and is not flattery, just sincerity.