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Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 16:52:13

The Nemesis123 
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Im not sure whether this is necessarily the correct place to put it but I want some advice. I have just started an account on Warlight after inadvertently clicking on an ad. Saw it looked a little like risk and was interested. Anyways, as someone who plays a lot of different online games, I know that people get on the wrong track and I dont want to learn by game 100 or so that I'm seriously screwing up in strategy or whatnot and that's why I just lost the vast majority of the games. So if it is possible, could someone who knows what they are doing possibly give me a few tips how to improve my game or make a game with me to help me learn the ropes.

Thanks in advance

Kusanagi
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 16:53:10

The Nemesis123 
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Or if there is some sort of guide, that would be fine too.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 16:57:00

o_O
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sure , give me 5 minutes ...
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 16:58:34

The Nemesis123 
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thankyou very much :)
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 17:01:18

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Quick crash course off the top of my head.

Picks

*take your time with territory picks. It's the most important turn of the game. A decent starting out guide for picks can be found here. http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Strategic_1_v_1

*One thing to look for is picks that work together to allow you to take a territory faster than you could otherwise. Sometimes you can get a first turn bonus this way but be careful, sometimes that can backfire on you. You don't have to go for the first turn bonus but you do have to be aware that its there.

*Don't clump your picks. Try to be spread out and think about where the fertile areas of the map are that you would like to expand to.

*Never start in a wasteland (a bonus that has a 10 stack in it). For that matter you should avoid those bonuses for the rest of the game. Taking out that 10 stack is highly inefficient so only enter a wasteland bonus if it is for strategic reasons. The home key is your friend, you can use it to see where the wastelands are.

First few turns

*Before you do anything else look at the history to see if you know where one of your opponents picks are. If you didn't get your first 3 picks then you know at least some of your opponents starting areas. Use this when planning your expansion

*Expansion is key. You should have your first bonus by the end of turn 2 (this is why selecting a 3 or 4 bonus is usually better to start out with) All things being equal it tends to be a good idea to focus on the bonus that is least likely to come into contact with your enemy. Keep taking territories and keep growing.

*Some helpful matchups to remember with 16 percent luck:
4v2 is 100%win
3v2 is 79%win
2v1 is 100%win
7v4 is 98%win

*Some matchups to avoid like the plague:
2v2 is 12%win. Yuck.
1v1 is 18%win. Don't.

*obviously coming into early contact with the enemy can throw your expansion plan out the window but if possible still try to expand even if it's slowly.

General tips

*The analyze tool is your best friend (don't tell the home key I said that) Use it often to determine if an attack is profitable. It is also useful to determine how many defenders you need to leave in order to make a territory safe.

*Always try to know where your opponent is. Most importantly, do your best to estimate their income. This is key when planning your strategy. Never assume the enemy has less income than you.

*Fight in their lands, not in yours. If possible, take the fight to your enemy. If his bonuses are threatened and yours are safe more often than not you will win. This is why it is important to accurately estimate where your enemy is, so you can plan your expansion to bring the fight to your enemy while keeping your bonuses secure.

*Sometimes a lost battle is a win. Just because you didn't get the territory doesn't mean you shouldn't attack again. Check the history to see the losses incurred. If your income is roughly the same as his and he lost 14 while you lost 10, attacking again can be profitable (there are oodles of exceptions to this rule but the takehome point here is to consider favorable attrition when planning attacks.

*Speaking of attrition, try to avoid stopping a runaway stack. If you find yourself facing an unstoppable force, for example you are confronted with a 20 stack on an undefended front and you have an income of 10. It is rarely the best course of action to defend the front with your 10. Not only will they die but they won't even get to kill that many bad guys. Better options is to launch a counterattack somewhere else where the opponent is weaker.

*the order of your orders matter. Remember that you can adjust the order of attacks. be aware of this and be sure to place important attacks or transfers first and attacks from places you might be attacked at last.

Phew! That got a little away from me there. Anyhoo that's just the tip of the iceberg and there are numerous exceptions to all the bulletpoints. Keep in mind I'm certainly not the best player but these basics should help separate you from the other beginners.
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the things i wrote above was originally contributed by "emgzapper" so credit goes to him.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 17:05:58

The Nemesis123 
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read it all, thanks a lot for the help. Im just going through the single player games that warlight gives before doing a multiplayer game.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 17:17:25

o_O
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when i was a kid and new to warlight, i used to play games with this person
" http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=953716364 "
he was the first one which inspired me to play warlight games more seriouslly...
you can try inviting mian into a game ...
not sure if he gonna accept it ...
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 17:24:04


I∂ƒ∂oggY 
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I'd be happy to assist with the actual playing aspect. Feel free to invite me to a game or ask me to do it if you don't know how. We can go through a few initial things.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 18:11:57

The Nemesis123 
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could you make a game? I dont know how to make a game with you sorry.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 19:48:17


J Russell Mikkelsen 
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Lesson one: Figure out how to make a game.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/23/2012 20:23:52


I∂ƒ∂oggY 
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Well, I am glad to announce: Lesson 1: Check!
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 07:06:15


ps 
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Lesson two: Take over the world!
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 09:47:04

The Nemesis123 
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thanks for all the help, I think I kinda know enough of what I am doing to just learn things on the go now :)
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 09:55:00


I∂ƒ∂oggY 
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Congratz on the win! Guys, don't underestimate this guy. We will see him again!
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 10:56:37


Timinator • apex 
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Good Luck ;)

@doggy: Mind posting your game here?
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 11:14:53


I∂ƒ∂oggY 
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Here it is: http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3073801. Quite embarrassing but hey, I underestimated him; A mistake that I make often, also in some ladder games. I need to finally learn my damn lesson haha.

Nevertheless, there were a few errors made by him. Even though the expansion was quite efficient, it could have been even better. Another thing is move order, effective use of cards and flanking; All of which were not done right, but that is simply something you pick up when you keep playing.

As for this specific game, after i realized that he was not a complete noob, I actually started getting some bonuses and flanking but I encountered 2 main problems: By that time his apt were much larger than mine so he could effectively defend. If he hadn't made that mistake in europe, I would not even have gotten in. In the end, I surrendered because I saw no way I can flank while holding and breaking with the given apt.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 14:12:53


[REGL] Pooh 
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I concur. This guy is no joke:
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3073498

Well Played!
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 14:20:34

Darth Mylor {Warlighter}
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Kusanagi I don't think you need much help. You just need to get used to the controls. I see a bright future for you
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 14:23:10


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i've never seen a strat 1v1 where both players blockaded the same territory ...
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 15:01:26


szeweningen 
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+1 from me for another succesful chess to Warlight transition :) Chess helps very much to understand use of space and timing, which are important in early stages of learning Warlight.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 15:24:55


[REGL] Pooh 
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Well, if anyone wants to disect my game (link above) I'd appreciate it. Not really sure what else I could have done to turn the tides in my favor.

I think it would be good for both of us to improve our games.


And yes, I don't think I've ever seen the same territory blockaded 2x. Only his was much stronger, and I really could have used one in Hawaii about 10 turns later.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/24/2012 16:07:03


szeweningen 
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Basic expansion mistakes and very bad play early turns, you just should have finished patiently antarctica first, then russia, then you'd hold antarctica. He had a faster expansion early but it came with a price of having problems with finishing 3rd bonus (north africa). Finish antarctica in 2 turns, russia in 3. On 4th turn you get to decide whether to hold antarctica or finish indonesia and enter south america. With 2nd option you'd have the opportunity to set a blockade in antarctica (scott) and enter africa and central america through brasil with temporary 13-12 advantage and possible australia bonus in the futur (or central russia bonus). Anyway, you should have won that easily after playing those first 4 turns as I said.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 06:08:49


The Number 235 
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Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 09:05:13

The Nemesis123 
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Thanks for all the help. I think I have gotten a lot better or at least making less and less mistakes, which is the same thing in essence. Will watch the youtube videos when I get back from holiday, mainly because it is banned here. Still having a bit of trouble with the 2v2 and 3v3 games (which it seems most people play with a few maps) but hopefully practice will help me get over that. Have read a guide on EU 3v3 games which has helped me a lot there, problem is that the players who normally play the 3v3s pick the big bonuses.

Ive been looking at other peoples statistics through their profiles and saw a person who have win rates of near 90% even though they played loads of games. Presumably though its very hard to do that especially on the 2v2 and 3v3, do people just pick their games carefully? Though I did see once that a guy changed from my team because I only played about 10 games :S.

See quite a few people here have Ms next to their name which I presume is a membership thing. Im wondering, at what point do people think worth getting a membership? Im not particularly interested in making my own games, but the ladders sound interesting. Are they much better than joining a tournament or playing a random game that pops up in the open game segment?

Lastly, has warlight ever considered putting up some sort of mentoring system?
Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 10:05:39


I∂ƒ∂oggY 
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1) Team games: I'd be happy to help with some 2v2s or 3v3s. also regarding their strategies.

2) Statistics: Beware, there are a lot of "stat-boosters". Some people with 50% are better than people with 90%, though not always of course. Start playing to win a game and have fun while doing so, not for your stats.
- The guy changing teams is a regular and understandable occurrence, - self explainable.

3) Membership: Play for a week or two first. If you really do want to keep going and actually start playing competitively, then get the membership which allows for a few things. Most importantly, you can play the ladders, 1v1 strategic medium earth, the 2v2 ladder same map with a friend, and seasonal ladders, which use a different template each time. Go to community - ladders and browse around a bit.
Secondly, you can make games with less luck which is heavenly. Playing a game with 75% kills strategies you come up with for expanding etc. I noticed you still don't fully understand this point in our game; Yes, the one you freaking won haha - still cannot get over it.

4) As for the mentoring system, there is no official one, though there are quite a few players that like to help; Thus, there are guides such as the one from swezingen or Zoso. Go up and click on Swez's account and link - he is a great mentor and has gotten myself to a whole other level for 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3s.

5) I want a damn rematch! :D

Best,
Ze doggy
Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 10:27:33

The Nemesis123 
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yea, I just saw that. The last game I played I didnt look over the settings properly and a guy started on 1000 bonus in a multiattack game. Fortunately he spent so long taking his turn I managed to boot him first turn and win :).

As for more games, more than happy to play, though I probably should have really lost the game against you looking at the history. Do you want to set up a game or should I? WIll go look at Swez's profile and read up too.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 15:39:23

Grzechooo 
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Also, from time to time, people make tournaments in which the prize is free membership (yes, it's possible to buy-gift the membership), and most of the time, these tournaments are played on Strategic 1v1 template, so this can be a way of earning a membership too.
Looking for Some Advice: 8/25/2012 16:48:07


Luxis • apex 
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Though the chances of winning such a tourney are not very big, and it will eventually be played over a few months, quite some time if you actually want a membership!
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