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I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 02:15:42


Scratch
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Lots of people with 65-80% 1v1 win-rate always stall until after you input your orders and then quickly move - and then whatever they did are the PERFECT moves against you.

Doesn't matter if you put in your orders after 20 seconds or 4:40, they wait and then put in their orders quickly. They all deny it but it is obvious. Why else would they wait every single time? And how else can they perfectly predict what you are going to do 100% of the time?

Also when I wait for them to put in their moves to make mine then its an even game. They will make mistakes. But some of them catch on that I'm doing this so they will stall all the way down and quickly boot me if I wait too long. They never put their moves in until 1 second left just to try to boot - because they can't win if they don't cheat!

Please somebody who knows this hack tell the truth so it can be fixed - it's not fair and it ruins the game.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 02:45:23

bunes 
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link to game?
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 02:53:47


Richard Sharpe 
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Link won't give too much information since it doesn't say what time you submit orders to my knowledge.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 02:56:09


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Fizzer has repeatedly said it's impossible to hack the game. Perhaps it just seems like this to you after some bad luck.

Generally speaking though, the longer somebody takes to think about a move, the more likely they're going to be able to predict what you're going to do.

Try it in your next autogame, spend the whole 4 and so minutes trying to predict what the enemy will do, taking into account how much they've deployed and likely starting locations, and see if you can counter it perfectly.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 02:56:52


À la recherche du temps perdu 
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and i'm curious to know also the name of the players.. too easy to say that "someone" is cheating.. anyway if a cheat like this really exists (even if i'm pretty sceptical about it) i think that they should have much better stats than 65-80.. but maybe u are right and i'm not :)
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 04:34:13


The Red Hoard
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The guys that are waiting, are thinking about their turns more, plan and simple. you are playing superiior guys that's all
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 05:58:02


[中国阳朔]TexasJohn 
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I think you are thinking too much about this problem. Sometimes when I am playing V or Chaos, it seems they know precisely what I am going to do. However, that is just because they are top-notch players, not because they are cheating.

Considering the very small benefits anyone gets from winning, other than the satisfaction, there is not really a good reason to cheat. Sometimes people manipulate bonuses or restrict open seats to under 100 games played, but this is pretty rare.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 07:41:28


Niko 
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yes please, give link and name, without this you look like a fury player.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 08:05:06


Scratch
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Niko,

You are French. Your argument is invalid.

Kind regards,

Scratch.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 08:11:06


Niko 
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Ok, sure now you are just a bad player who don't anderstand why good player beat you ;)

Kind regards from all French people.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 08:13:17


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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you are fast becoming racist against the french scratch

im not french, but i wouldnt like it if i was told i was insignificant just because i was born somewhere

scratch you are an idiot. your posts are invalid

unkind regards


General Arun
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 08:21:45

(Lost)SGV_STH
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Just to mention, if you head under Nudge/Boot, you can click the "(speed)" link to the left of the player to see the speed of their last 10 turns even if you did not play in the game.

It could be that they are waiting to see how long you take first to get a guess as to how many orders you made. It is very important, but any information is better than none. They could also might be waiting for you to commit so that if you want to go back to change your orders you will be locked in to what you already submitted.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 08:22:55


Scratch
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General,

French is not a race.

Kind regards,

Scratch.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 09:06:48


Scratch
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I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 09:07:01

RvW 
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I have a few doubts regarding your claim people are cheating...

The way WL works, your opponent never even gets your orders. When the turn advances, they receive the results of your orders of course. But between the moment you click "commit" and the moment everyone has committed, they cannot see your orders.
People can hack their client (or spy on network traffic or whatever), there shouldn't be anything there. I admit I never actually tried, but Fizzer explained a few times how it works (and why it works like that), so I really, really doubt he'd completely mess it up.
So, this scenario can only work if the WL server itself has been compromised. While not impossible, I think that too is very unlikely.
If you're playing people on the same network (siblings, schoolmates, lan parties), some network sniffing would be possible, but that scenario is incredibly unlikely to apply when you're playing random strangers (were you??) and there's another problem with it anyway, see below.

Lots of people with 65-80% 1v1 win-rate always stall until after you input your orders and then quickly move - and then whatever they did are the PERFECT moves against you.
It's very subtle, but you're actually contradicting yourself here. If they wait for you (presumably to take a look at the orders you've just committed), then quickly enter their orders, that means they must've had their orders ready, waiting to commit (I don't understand why though). I don't think it's possible to see your opponent's orders, see what they're going to do, come up with the perfect strategy against it, enter those orders and hit commit, and do all that "quickly".
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 09:10:06

Darkruler2005
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Scratch be trollin'.

There is no evidence to suggest any of this happens. I haven't seen anything strange like this either. I do know that the AI cheats, though. Whenever you play higher than normal fog with them (dense fog, for example), for them it will still be a normal fog game (they'll know the troops you have in adjacent territories even if there's no way of knowing). Haven't tested on complete fog, though.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 12:50:58

RvW 
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@Darkruler:
A while ago (when someone else noticed this) Fizzer replied and explained the AI always uses the information it would have in a normal fog game (at the time, that information was not available on the Wiki, I don't know if it has been added since...?).
So on lower fog levels it won't have access to (or: can't make use of) the extra information, on higher fog levels it has an advantage over human players. Whether you want to call that "cheating", "unfair" or "part of the game" is up to you. :p
Fizzer actually proposed making a variant out of this (something along the lines of teams of one player + one AI, high or complete fog) to take advantage of it by having your AI be a kind of "spy" for you. GeneralMac said he wanted to do something with that suggestion, but I'm not sure if he ever got around to it.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 14:11:28


dunga • apex 
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dont forget that between your opponent finishing his move there is necessity to refresh the game. Sometimes its like a 10 to 20 seconds window.
Many cases you send the orders and start the next turn, because your game refreshes and now knows that your opponents had just sent his orders.

And you are a racist, whetever you say for generations to come in this forum will be invalid, you will need to change account for gain any respect again.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 14:40:41

RvW 
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Many cases you send the orders and start the next turn, because your game refreshes and now knows that your opponents had just sent his orders.
That's a very good point too; my apologies for forgetting that.

And you are a racist, whetever you say for generations to come in this forum will be invalid, you will need to change account for gain any respect again.
Ehmm, that was not directed at me, was it!? :s
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 14:44:19


Niko 
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Sure No RvW, it's for Scratch, for what he say to me ;)
I think people have hacked the game: 7/27/2012 15:03:25

Darkruler2005
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Well, AI intelligence is kind of limited, so its decisions are very basic. Might as well make it act as if it's normal fog (whenever there's no or light fog). I guess it would be kind of hard to implement AI for higher fog levels.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/28/2012 09:24:20


Scratch
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Quit being so sensitive I was joking.

I love France. It would be the best country on Earth if there weren't so many French people there.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/28/2012 13:48:44


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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scratch, would you mind playing a game against some french players to prove your point?

the people on the forums can nominate a french champion to whoop your stupid ass into next week
I think people have hacked the game: 7/28/2012 13:52:55

Killer23{Warlighters}
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1+^ Good one arun lol
I think people have hacked the game: 7/28/2012 14:35:04


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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his mother needs to give her young son a walloping
I think people have hacked the game: 7/28/2012 14:41:22

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Arun, you were obviously missing when God gave the people sarcasm detectors.
I think people have hacked the game: 7/30/2012 18:45:31


Madness 
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What's wrong with France? The gave us great fries.

</snarkasm>
I think people have hacked the game: 7/30/2012 18:58:44

RvW 
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The Netherlands has "Friesland" (pronounced differently and the meaning is unrelated, but still! :p ).
I think people have hacked the game: 7/30/2012 23:39:00


BearsBeetsBattlestarGalactica
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So did we decide that no one has actually hacked the game, or have we simply put the discussion aside in favour of swapping insults about our countries of origin?
I think people have hacked the game: 9/4/2012 03:58:01

Cardfan
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Do you think that it is likely that 2 players can have perfect placement on a 2v2 and 3v3 games, 3 time in a row? It just seems a little hoakie to me.

3 http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3118381

2 http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3118316

1 http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=3118264

Put these in the wrong order,but 1st game was a whatever, 2nd was a little fishy, but the 3rd game just made me really wonder if there is any way they could have hacked the ability to see their opponents starting spots.

Could just be me.
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