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Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 01:18:27

Aziridine 
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Just getting the ball rolling while we're waiting for pairings. Also, for group F I created tables for standings and pairings at http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/User:Aziridine - if someone would like to do this for the other groups feel free to copy the format!

Team USA West:

1v1: EZPickens http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=55998716
Aziridine http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=143936622

2v2: EZPickens
rayguns http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=571011592

3v3: Aziridine
Botanator http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=633358359
♦CPU♦DrummingManiac1 http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=444816548

7v7: Botanator, rayguns, Aziridine
Budyy http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=379666135
gMoney http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=492150198
Ryan http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=559362993
GMontag http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=794750839
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 02:39:59

RvW 
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Is there a reason why round 1 has to finish before round 2 can start? The matches I'm in are very unlikely to finish before July 16th...
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 02:48:36

Aziridine 
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I think dunga has said that he expects the rounds in the group stage to overlap. Our 7v7 match is still on turn 2!
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 03:15:14


dunga • apex 
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Aziridine is right, the matches will overlap, as of this 2nd round i will also add a new ruling about the game pace, and how it will affect the score if the games dont finish in the right time (all group stage games by august 31).

Probably by tomorrow, so far lets use this post to post the line-ups and than creating the games because the date for creation is due July 16th. And this time there will be penalties.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 07:36:18


Ska2D2 
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Are the rosters locked in? I only ask because we have had a case of noob rage quit already in one of our games. Seemingly advising in a 7v7 game is offensive to him. And to be honest I'd rather not play with him again. I have blacklisted but obviously that only affects open games that I make.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 07:40:09

Aziridine 
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Dunga has said that you may add or remove players in the group stage; rosters will be fixed for the elimination rounds.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 12:17:21


dunga • apex 
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This is the official thread for the second round of group stage.

this will be the matches:

Group A:
Baltic States vs. Netherlands and Flanders 2
Norway vs. Poland 2

Group B:
Brazil vs. Canada
China 2 vs. Poland 3

Group C:
Poland 1 vs. U.S. Great Lakes
U.S. Central vs. Serbia

Group D:
GB and Ireland 1 vs. Switzerland
Italy vs. France 2

Group E:
Netherlands and Flanders 1 vs. GB and Ireland 2
U.S. East 2 vs. South America

Group F:
France 1 vs. Germany
U.S. West vs. China 1

Group G:
U.S. East 1 vs. New Zealand
Israel vs. U.S. Central

Plz post your line-up, and as soon as your opponent do to you are ready to create the games.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 12:20:50

RvW 
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[q]the matches will overlap, as of this 2nd round i will also add a new ruling about the game pace, and how it will affect the score if the games dont finish in the right time (all group stage games by august 31).[/q]
How about lowering the boot times to two days? That should speed things up a little bit.

When scoring games which have moved too slowly, I have a few suggestions / requests:
  • If possible, do it in such a way people are not forced to end the game; should both parties want to finish it (even though it won't affect the Nations Cup), it would be nice if that's still possible.
  • Maybe you should try taking play speed into account? So there is no incentive for teams slightly ahead on August 24th to start playing very slowly.
  • Whatever you do, I think you should make the exact rules public well before the end of August. While that does give a little more room for abusing the rules, you really want to prevent even the suggestion you chose the rules in such a way as to benefit a specific team.
  • I'm not sure about the other matches, but our 7vs7 is moving (by far) the most slowly. Would it be possible to start the Round 3 7vs7 at the same time we start Round 2, just to give it a head start?
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 12:21:41


dunga • apex 
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since Brazil has already 10 points and won all the games so far (excpet the 7v7) i can't change the winning team right?

this is the line up, same as before
Brazil line-up:
1v1
dunga
schmidt - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=609771478

2v2
dunga
FuracãoBR - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=535249083

3v3
dunga
FuracãoBR
giovanni.br - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=486025217

7v7
dunga
FuracãoBR
giovanni.br
Kantos - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=346042360
Pedro Luiz - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=345735624
SexMachineRJ - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=277806791
schmidt - http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=609771478
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 12:59:02

Ruthless Bastard 
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Team Canada Roster
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=9511743727
DagenDaDragon http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=196386385
Kruel http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=295545714
nkvd http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=607061309
ericleb010 http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=306637607
hangblague http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=366309865
[V.I.W] Wolfman100 http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=605672359
Pickledegg62 http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=955449465
[REGL] gotopogo http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=367428929
ChiefBeurre http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=396955174
Dodo Comander http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=938578025
saab92x http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=466974785
kram http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=658156520
BlueGuyOnMyTeamLikesFatChicks! http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=295544879
MBaker11 http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=449041063

Starters Round 2
1v1
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=9511743727
Kruel http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=295545714

2v2
Dodo Comander http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=938578025
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=9511743727

3v3
Kruel http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=295545714
saab92x http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=466974785
Dodo Comander http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=938578025

7v7
kram http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=658156520
DagenDaDragon http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=196386385
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=9511743727
Kruel http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=295545714
Dodo Comander http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=938578025
hangblague http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=366309865
saab92x http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=466974785
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:13:58


Richard Sharpe 
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Like that the 'noob rage' comes from a 1000-game player (http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=327890479)
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:23:38


dunga • apex 
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@RvW, the rule is already stated in another thread
and they can finish the match if they want, but the scoreboard will have a winner, the problem is how to do it without finishing the game.

How you guys like the idea of the round 3 7v7 starting before?
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:29:01

Aziridine 
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Since the round 3 pairings are obvious now, I suggest that team captains should have the option of creating any of those games (not just the 7v7) earlier than August 1 as soon as they have a lineup ready, but it should not be mandatory (since they may want to wait for players to return from vacation).
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:35:24


dunga • apex 
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great way of thinking, this will change nothing and will allow faster tournaments.
Anyway, should we make the 7v7 round 3 mandatory?


Brazil would be ready for both matches. Last one being against China 2.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:36:35


Срећко
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Team Serbia for round 2:

1v1
Тито ----- http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=683650146
mashinedramon ----- http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=277968604

2v2
Srećko ------ (me)
mashinedramon

3v3
Srećko
mashinedramon
INFERNO ------ http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=9810502410

7v7
brancode -------- http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=466818969
Gile ------------ http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=677158750
Glavan Golja Velikonja ----- http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=5511879623
Srećko
mashinedramon
INFERNO
Тито
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 13:43:35

Aziridine 
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Should starting the 7v7 by Monday be mandatory... let's go with consensus with that one. I prefer that it not, because I have more than 7 players on my team so I need some time to set a lineup. Perhaps another option is to make the 7v7 a 2-day boot (for just round 3 or for both rounds 2 and 3.)
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 15:47:44

RvW 
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How about keeping it optional for now; if almost all teams want to start Round 3 right away, you can always make it mandatory-unless-you-have-s-good-reason (such as a player on vacation). If many teams don't want to, maybe it's better not to force the issue.

Todo for next year: think about how to keep things manageable (time-wise). ;)
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/14/2012 15:52:55


dunga • apex 
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i really think things are pretty more manageable time-wise than could be expected. All games are created in time and this kind of slow play we find everywhere. (we are in vacation season, lets not forget).

Now i add this warning rule so players have a reason for playing faster (not enhancing his opponent score).

The other options lies in auto-boot and it could be set for 2 days, but i can see lots of complaining.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 06:40:03


Niko 
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Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 07:12:51


[WL貼吧]zuzu 
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Hi all, I would like to say sorry for the delay, my mates and I hade make a decision to quite this match.

so China 1 team will leave national cup. Because the players in my team including myself don't have that much time on games, so we will no longer join the rest of the games.

Thanks for the games French team!
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 07:25:19


Niko 
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i'm really sorry for that... Was enjoy to play against you, for me look like only 2 of your player are not actif enouth, but it's your choise and i respect it.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 07:54:53

Aziridine 
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That's very unfortunate zuzu, we were looking forward to a match with you.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 09:40:48


dunga • apex 
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yeah, thats is major unfortunate. I would like for you guys to reconsider.

The biggest problem this could bring is decideing the 2 3rd places.
I think groups that end up with 3 teams can't forward 3 places to the next round.
Lets hope the group stage thing works (loosing teams not loosing interest), otherwise we will have to have only elimination rounds in the future.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 09:44:00

Aziridine 
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Wasn't Scandinavia (or someone else) going to field a second team at some point, but they left so that both Chinese teams could join? Could that team be revived?
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 09:44:56


dunga • apex 
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yes the nordic team

luxis was the captain, they didnt had a full line-up, i can talk to him later
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 09:47:49

Aziridine 
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If even just a couple of the China 1 players were able to continue perhaps add them to Luxis's team. It would be better than nothing...
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 10:29:47

Aziridine 
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If we can't find a replacement team (and let's hope other teams don't drop out) then I suggest the other two teams in the group be awarded the same margin of victory France had over China, which I believe would be 9-2 if China forfeits the rest of the games.
Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 10:41:34


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Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 16:51:29


À la recherche du temps perdu 
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Nations Cup - ROUND 2: 7/15/2012 19:34:35


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