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Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 04:48:52


JAM
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This ( http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13555 ) map includes every country of the world (at least I hoope it does). Most of the countries have their own territories, but some, like Italy-Switzerland-Malta-Liechtenstein-San Marino-Vatican City-Monaco, have to share. Some countries, like France, have many overseas departments/territories/collectivities/etc. such as the French Guiana. Because of this France connects to several countries in South America and is part of the South America bonus. This is not a mistake. Please look for connection errors, bonus errors, spelling errors, etc. I haven't set the continental superbounus amounts yet so don't worry (if you have ideas or formulas for superbouses please share). Thanks in advance for all of your help.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 06:10:12


Knoebber 
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you should change the name to something like Political Earth. There are a bunch of earths already out so you wanna make it kinda descriptive. Also you forgot to add sealand
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 06:22:56


{RSP} Nike
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denmark should be greenland instead
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 06:23:49


{RSP} Nike
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saudi arabia is spelled audi arabia

i suggest not to put any megabonuses, they rarely seem to workout
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 07:07:08


Ska2D2 
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I don't understand your reasoning though. A European colonial power owning part of another continent does not place that country in a different continent. Parts of the carribean being owned by a European country no more makes that European country Carribean than owning the Phillipenes made the U.S.A Asian or owning India made England part of the subcontinent.

If you had set countries bonuses rather than continental bonuses - so you got a bonus for France and departments then yes I would follow you. But moving part of one continent into another continent because they have dependencies/colonies (whatever you want to call them) is illogical.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 09:04:40


Moros 
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I also don't understand why you merged Swiss with Italy, but not Gambia with Senegal, or Guinea-Bisseau with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, or Ghana, Togo and Benin.
That would keep the African coast less cluttered. The same counts for the Caribbean Sea.


And I don't understand your Holland reference in the Netherlands. It's just a nickname. Are you going to call the UK England? Or the US America? Or Japan the land of the rising sun?


I think you should increase the total map size, rather than filling the map with bulbs of small countries.


If you're adding French Guyana, why didn't you add the claimed territories in Antarctica?


Greenland is no longer part of Denmark, it's now an independent country within the Kingdom of Denmark. It's like the Virgin Islands.


The connections between the European countries and North America are very unclear.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 11:14:13


{RSP} Nike
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there are also some very messy connections between africa and asia and around australia as well
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 16:08:33


Ironheart
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@ nike it's called denmark because greenland owns it plus it's part of the denmark territory isn't comoros french.Also i agree with ska on the external territory issue.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 16:44:48


JAM
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@Knoebber-Good idea! I like the title Political Earth. I'll change it.

@{RSP}nike0708虎-Greenland is a part of Denmark not vice-versa.
-I'll change Audi Arabia.
-I'm keeping the superbonuses, but any ideas at how much they should be worth?

@Ska2D2-In the real world, France isn't part of South America, but the French Guiana is part of South America. The French Guiana is owned by France though. In my map, the territory of France includes France and its overseas departments. Only the French Guiana is part of the South America bonus, but there is no distinction between the French Guiana and France therefore all of France must be in the South America bounus. Also in the real world, if France wanted to send troops to the French Guiana, whose to stop them. France could then attack Brazil, if they wanted to.

@Moros-I merged Switzerland with Italy because I didn't have enough room for the armies of both of them (I'm not biased against any countries). I tried to give every country its own territory, but that was not possible in Europe (unless I made the map bigger, I don't want to do that), while in Africa I had plenty of room to put armies.
-If you don't like my calling Netherlands Holland, I'll change it. I thought that it was more than just a nickname. What do you think about what I did with China and Taiwan? and what about Micronesia?
-At this stage changing the map size would be a real hassle. I would have to change the size of the army circles, and I don't think I want to do that.
-It seemed ridiculous to include the Antarctic territories for some countries, because Antasrctica has a permanent population of 2, and I don't think any battles have taken or will take place in Antarctica.
-When I looked up the status of Iceland and Greenland, it seemed like they were both somewhat dependent on Denmark. Iceland seemed to be pretty independent, while Greenland seemed more dependent. I'll do some more research and I might change it.
-For the European to North American connections, look at the European territories in the Caribbean, the British Island in the North Atlantic (Bermuda), and the Portugese Islands (Azores).

@{RSP}nike0708虎-Could you please elaborate more on the connections between Africa, Asia and Australia? Are you talking about the connections in the Indian and Pacific Oceans?
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 16:47:38


JAM
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Sorry for double-post.

@Ironheart-Comoros isn't French. You're probably thinking about Mayotte and Reunion.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 17:23:45


Ska2D2 
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Oh so many problems. Owning a territory in another continent does not geographically move the location of the country owning the territory. Neither does it as your map suggests also reverse move and place the colony in the owning countries continent.

Continent's are geographical areas based on landmass and divided by oceans generally. To answer your question about who is going to stop France moving troops to Guiana I must draw your attention to another South American colony which had a conflict with a South American state. The Falklands to get troops to the Falklands the British had to send a carrier task force, take control of the sea and air and then they could land troops. What was stopping them apart from the Argentine armed forces was the geographical divide between Europe and the America's - the Atlantic Ocean.

Also in you're 'logic' you miss the reverse point - how does for example France Guiana's dependency status allow them to move troops into France? On warlight what can go way must be able to travel in the opposite direction - by your logic Brazil having taken French Guiana also take over the French capacity to move troops between the two countries. I doubt that Guiana currently has the capacity to move transport armed forces to France and capturing the colony would no more transfer this ability onto Brazil than to any other country.

Essentially what I am saying is that your contention is flawed. Political ownership is not the same as nor does it transfer geographical qualities to a location. A location is fixed in geography.

You have already heartily taken up the name 'political earth' I am suggesting that instead of attempting to force continents to marry with other continents where they have no rhyme or reason to be. Go with the political instead of having parts of the Caribbean in a European bonus and Europe in a Caribbean bonus use country specific bonuses instead - U.S.S.R, U.K, France, Spain etc.
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 18:28:20


i-like-swords
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Is it possible to change the smaller bonuses' colors? You can keep them in the general shade as the megabonus they are part of (ex. all Asian bonuses are green, but one bonus can be darker while another can be lighter). It would make things a lot less confusing.

I also agree with Ska2D2, since in no way does having ownership of a territory mean that the colonizing country is part of the colony's region. It would certainly make the mess with all of those yellow lines crisscrossing the oceans in a billion ways certainly neater.

You made some rather strange country mergers, my friend. Why is Lesotho merged with Mozambique and Swaziland instead of South Africa, which surrounds it? Eritrea would look aesthetically better if it were to be merged with Ethiopia instead of Somalia.

And then, like Moros mentioned before, there's the matter of why didn't you merge some countries. Sure, you will have to redistribute territories to different bonuses, but in the end, it will look much nicer. Take Brunei and Singapore for example. They are better off in a Malaysia-Singapore-Brunei merger. Other mergers you might consider are Senegal-Gambia-Guinea Bissau, Guinea-Sierra Leone-Liberia, Togo-Benin, Timor Leste-Indonesia, Equatorial Guinea-Gabon, and Honduras-El Salvador.

Looks like this map has quite a lot of potential. Keep up the great work!
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 20:11:25


BlueGalaxy
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territorry lniks are kinda confusing :/
UK and France link to about a quarter of the entire maps territories it looks like and all links by tiny specks across the map xD Those territories could give a little too much of an advantage to the player who owns them... e.g. Say you were in a FFA - when it goes down to about 2 players and most of the map is taken, UK and France and USA (ect) would make it wayy to easy to take out all your enemy's bonuses because of their many, many links.

Do you see what i mean??

To be honest, I think it would be best to take out the small, tiny parts of France and UK and just stick to the main part o it in europe (same goes for the other territories with overwhelming amount of connections).

But hey, it's your map, you do what you think is right.

Other than the connections, pretty good map ;)

One last thing - you wrote Ethiopia, then beside it another territory saying Ethiopia-Eritrea-Djibouti. Should it be Samolia instead of Ethiopa in the second territory I mentioned??
Yet another earth map: 7/9/2012 20:12:11


BlueGalaxy
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Sorry for double post.

Meant to be Somalia in the last line there
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 00:02:14


JAM
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@Ska2D2-You seem to have a lot of problems with my map that I'm not going to change. One solution is that, when it comes out, you don't have to play on my map.

@i-like-swords-I could change the bonus colors to shades of green, but in my opinion that looks messy and it is easy to click on the bonus link to see the bonus.
-Lesotho and Mozambique were merged because I thought it would look different from most maps (I suppose you don't like Bangladesh-Nepal-Bhutan either). I merged Eritrea with Somalia so that Ethiopia remains a land-locked country, and so Ethiopia doesn't look misshapen.
-I tried to give every country a territory if possible. In Europe I didn't have enough room to do so. So that territories like Gambia, Signapore, and Brunei aren't tediously connected to only one other territory, I gave them sea connections.

@BlueGalaxy {Warlighter}-all of the connections give those territories strategic value. In addition to being able to attack many places those territorries are also hard to defend.
-I fixed the Ethiopia/Somalia issue.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 00:16:36


Ska2D2 
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It's not a problem with your map it has potential. I constructively outlined my thoughts about it. Two solutions about that are:

1. You refuse to take constructive comments and instead put your head in the sand and sing "lalalalala I'm right I'm right I'm right why do they all hate me"

2. You take on board some of it and make changes.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 01:09:03


DeмoZ 
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I hate to break it to you JAM, but anyone with any common sense what so ever can tell you that France is not part of the carribean.

Also, if you continue with your current design (which you probably will), then I'd like to see the United States of America connect to every single territory, considering we own land and military bases in all of them but Canada.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 01:24:03


JAM
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France is not part of the Caribbean, but Guadeloupe and Martinique are. And in my map Guadeluope, Martinique, French Guiana, New Caledonia, etc, and France are one and the same. They are part of the SAME territory. Only the part of the territory that constitutes Martinique is in the Caribbean, France is not.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 01:26:26


JAM
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France is not part of the Caribbean, but Guadeloupe and Martinique are. And in my map Guadeluope, Martinique, French Guiana, New Caledonia, etc, and France are one and the same. They are part of the SAME territory. Only the part of the territory that constitutes Martinique is in the Caribbean, France is not.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 01:27:20


JAM
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Sorry for the double post. That was weird.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 07:55:26


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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I like it, it's very unique!
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 08:06:04


Ska2D2 
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Then there is a bug because when you select the South American bonus it highlights France - when you click North America it suggests Denmark is a part of the bonus. etc.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 08:25:36


DeмoZ 
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Alright I'm fine with the whole France thing. I still want USA to connect to everything though.
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 09:15:01


{RSP} Nike
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the circles also make the map look very ugly and complicated
Yet another earth map: 7/10/2012 14:28:15


ChrisCMU 
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Why are all continents worth the same amount? Why is Russia in Asia and Europe bonus?

I agree the multipart features (UK, France, Denmark, etc) make no sense whatsoever. You can put armies on France and attack either Brazil, UK, all of Anglo America, SE Africa, all of lower Pacific in one move. This map will play horrible and also be incredibly confusing because you will have to hit "more info" on every territory because you have no idea where things connect.

Why even have Antarctica on there if you aren't going to use it?

You also have islands so small you can't even click on them to see what territory they belong to (UK, France, etc), so you have no idea where an attack could come from.

Why are Lesotho and Swaziland combined with Mozambique?

Why are Ecuador (spelled wrong BTW on your map) and Mexico connected?
Yet another earth map: 7/11/2012 19:42:18


JAM
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@{rp} Francisco Vile- Thx

@Ska2D2- The South America bonus highlights France because the French Guiana and France are part of the same territory by the name of "France". The North America bonus highlights Denmark because the Greenland and Denmark are part of the same territory by the name of "Denmark". That isn't a bug.

@VaporX- While I'm not arguing with your logic, the USA connecting to EVERY country would hinder the playability of the map.

@{RSP}nike0708虎- I'm sorry but I can't get rid of the circles, so you'll just have to learn how to live in harmony with the circles.

@ChrisCMU- I haven't had a change to chane the value of the continents, and the default value is 4. The final map will include proper bonuse values for the continents.
-Russia is part of Europe and Asia therfore it is in both bonuses.
-The islands are not too small to click on, but I'll make them bigger so that they're easier to click.
-Antarctica is only there to show where it would be on a real map.
-Lesotho is combined with Mozambique because it makes the map interesting, and does not affect playability whatsoever.
-Ecuador (I fixed the spelling) is connected to Mexico through the Galapagos Islands.

@Moros- I finally had the chance to look up the sovereignty of Greenland. It seems that Greenland could be considered its own country or still part of Denmark. While Denmark is autonomous (self-governing), it is also a constituent country (a country or region within another parent country)(England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are considered constituent countries within the UK) and its Head-of-State is the Queen of Denmark. The most important fact that led to my keeping Greenland as part of Denmark's territory is that Denmark is in charge of the foreign affairs and defence of Greenland. I'm not saying whether or not Greenland is its own country, but, in a war game, being in charge of foreign affairs and defence, is the most important.

@all- I have decided to compromise on the "European Powers Connectin to Everything" issue. I won't remove the small islands that belong to UK, France, etc, but I will limit the number of territories that the islands connect to. Don't expect an immediate change, though, as it is a lot of work to be done.
-I will also try to make the connections in Oceania a lot neater.
Yet another earth map: 7/11/2012 19:50:06


Ska2D2 
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Idiotic
Yet another earth map: 7/11/2012 19:54:23


Ska2D2 
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Let me clarify ... as if my first two posts did not .., just because France owns French Guiana DOES NOT MAKE French Guiana A PART OF EUROPE
Yet another earth map: 7/11/2012 20:18:34


skunk940 
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Awsome map, ignore what people say if it seems extreme (there are some jealouse people out there), but it looks alright. It is missing two europien countrys. They are Andorra and Aland!
Yet another earth map: 7/11/2012 20:47:39


Gnullbegg 
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Åland isn't a country.
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