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Just Read This Game Chat: 7/3/2012 03:46:23


Nate
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This Is just very interesting read the chat. http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2875658
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/3/2012 04:33:59


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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Holy ****!

I have a feeling some people will be banned/suspended after that chat...
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/3/2012 08:58:45


Moros 
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That chat made my day :)
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 03:45:01


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Yeah the conversation looked curiously but some people should really reads some materials and books then all discussion would be at higher level of advancement :)
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 06:12:09


Niko 
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Whaoo ! I just don't anderstand how Fizzer can accept a nickname like this one in his game ! And how you can dare to put you this nickname !

Shame on you ! I will be agrre to kick your ass of fascist !
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 06:48:33

♦CPU♦ Ryan2
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im confused on how evilmcbadguy won that game
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 06:57:31

(Lost)SGV_STH
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@Niko - Because computers are programmed to display that symbol when using certain combinations of keyboard characters. Though, the reason it is in is because it is the Hindu sign for peace if I remember things correctly. (I believe that the symbol existed before the Nazi Party used it by centuries. In addition, there is a second symbol that is a mirror image of it, but it stand for something else.)
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 07:00:20

(Lost)SGV_STH
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Just to clarify my words a bit, I know for sure that the symbol existed before the Nazi Party, though I am a bit less sure about how long before. That is why I said, "I believe".

Carry on.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 07:19:38


The Yellow Team
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Reading the game chat though SGV_STH (P), I don't reckon this guy is using it because it's a Hindu peace sign.

On a lighter note, Evil McBadguy is a great name!
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 12:28:45


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To SGV_STH (P) swastika is a geat and mystical symbol. Nobody knows how long before its appeared, for sure thousand years ago or even earlier. Swastika was in cultue of many tribes, so many cultures use that symbole ( Hindus, Slavs, even Indians in Ameica use it and many others ancient civilisations so is it possible that symbol of Sun accompanied people from the beginning of the human specie. Incredibly fascinating isn't it ?
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 16:10:14

RvW 
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Before the rise of national socialism in Europe, Hindus used both (what later became) the nazi swastika and its mirror image interchangeably. Only after Hitler "stole" / "hijacked" it (and consistently used one version) did Hindus start to mostly use the mirror image of that tainted one.

The reason computers can display the swastika (technically: the reason there's a Unicode codepoint for it) is because of the original Hindu origin of the symbol. (In fact, there's four versions of the swastika in Unicode, both mirror images and both mirror images with dots between the arms.)

More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika



WarLight is about war; players naming themselves after historical military leaders makes sense. Pretty much by definition, all of their hands are soaked in blood. For a lot of them (such as Caesar), it's the blood of people nobody alive today knows they're related to, so most people don't get upset over it.

There is a couple of problems with references to WW2 generals. For one it is far closer; even if there's not a lot of people on here (maybe none at all) who actually lived through it, it's very very likely there are people here who lost family members (whom they never personally knew, but family all the same) because of WW2.
A bigger problem is maybe not the casualties of the war itself, but the countless deaths caused by the holocaust. While you can argue the war (and the deaths caused by fighting at the fronts and bombing of cities) are not solely to be blamed on national socialism in Germany (the Treaty of Versailles hurt Germany so incredibly badly they had nothing to lose but everything to gain and is therefore at least a contributing factor), the holocaust on the other hand is (to the best of my knowledge) completely and entirely the sole responsibility of the nazi party.
But the biggest problem of all is that only nazi Germany was defeated in the war; the ideas of nazism where not destroyed, they still live on today in some people.

So, when a player calls himself "Caesar", "Alexander the Great" or even "Rommel" (military commander, to the best of my knowledge not connected to the holocaust) it's a reference to military power and / or cunning. And even if you think they fought for the wrong side, the war is over anyway. But when someone calls himself "Hitler" (or "Stalin", or the name of any "Yugoslavian-born person currently involuntarily located in The Hague"), it's not so clear whether it's a military reference or a xenophobic / racist / genocidal reference... and it's very possible people are deliberately abusing that ambiguity.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 16:33:51


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From 卐's profile:

"Previously known as...
MasterRace (7/3/2012)"

Incredibly fascinating isn't it?
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/7/2012 16:41:03


Major Risk 
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RvW wisely said.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/8/2012 02:59:29

(Lost)SGV_STH
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@The Yellow Team - Yes, I doubt that they are using it as a sign of peace. I was more answering why it is possible to Niko due to what they had said.
I just don't anderstand how Fizzer can accept a nickname like this one in his game !

Fizzer might be able to block it, but that might cause controversy since it is a Hindu symbol.

@卐 - I would say that the history of the symbol and mistakes made today due to it are interesting to me.

@RvW - Thank you for adding the information on the Unicode version. I thought that there was only two versions that are stored in computers, not four. In addition, the rest of the post was well said.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/8/2012 13:43:03


Dry Drunk Emperor
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Yeah it was a symbol used by both Hindu and Native American cultures, however going by the player swastika's previous name, plus their fascist chat shows they're just a nazi.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/8/2012 13:59:08


{RSP} Nike
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how would you explain "MasterRace" then?
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/8/2012 14:32:11


Dry Drunk Emperor
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Yeah, the whole "historical use of the swastika" is usually just used when fascists get called out and try to seem like they're more enlightened than those calling them on it. It's widely known that the swastika has been used in other settings, however it is now, in the present, primarily a symbol of hate, violence and ignorance. In the vast majority of it's uses online it is used as association with the nazi party, and as has been mentioned, having a previous name as "master race" confirms this.
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/8/2012 15:12:17


Niko 
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We are all agree...
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/9/2012 12:59:07


Italian Stallion [coldblood]
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o my jesus
Just Read This Game Chat: 7/9/2012 13:29:36


À la recherche du temps perdu 
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anyway swastica was used by ancient greeks as a symbol of purity, that's why hitler used it. and btw since nazi is illegal (at least in italy) i do think that fizzer should force all the guys who have nazi names or taglines or whatever to change them.. it is very annoying that i was reported because i said that "taking greece and turkey is stupid" in eu 3v3, and all these nazi are free to take pride of olocaust..
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