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When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 17:23:14

Good Kid 
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Was playing an autogame earlier and the opponent disappeared.

I was fairly sure the game was won already, but he had a low bootrate so I wanted to give him the benefit of he doubt, but I also didn't want to risk waiting so long that he could come back, take his turn, and then boot me due to me no longer being at the keyboard when he took his turn.

How long would you typically wait for someone in an autogame to come back, assuming that you didn't know them prior to the game, they didn't say they were leaving in the chat, and they had a fairly low bootrate?

Also, would the amount of time you'd wait depend heavily on whether you felt you were winning the game or not?
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 17:25:57


Master Potato
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I usually don't boot when I see the opponent has a low boot rate and seems like a good, reliable player. On the other hand when the opponent has a high boot rate and doesn't have a lot of games played I tend to boot soon after boot time (of course if I think I'm winning).
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 17:29:05

Good Kid 
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"I usually don't boot when I see the opponent has a low boot rate and seems like a good, reliable player."

You wouldn't boot them ever, or just not very quickly?

The game in question s here: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6101612

I booted a bit after 15 minutes.

I am still confident I'd have won, but I actually didn't realize he'd finished South Africa till after I booted, I thought it was even more won than it actually turned out to be.

He had two options IMO, both would have worked poorly for him.

He could deploy all 16 in south america, in which case I'd hit 44v34.

His better option would have been to deploy 1 in south africa, attack Congo 3v2, and get a card.

In that scenario I'd have hit 44v33.

44*.6=26.4
33*.7=23.1

that leaves him with a stack of 7, me with a stack of 22.

He'd have been able to deploy 21, me 16. I'd have been able to hit 37v28

37*.6=22.2
28*.7=19.6

That leaves me with a stack of 18, him 6 leading to a 33v22.

33*.6=19.8
22*.7=15.4

Then I'd finally break him as he'd have a stack of 3 and I'd have a stack of 19 leading to a 34v19.

34*.6=20.4
19*.7=13.3

At that point I have 20 income to his 16, and border AA with a stack of 21.

I doubt the game'd have lasted that long, but that's the best possible outcome for him, as if he tried to expand at any point I'd have finished SA and bordered AA sooner. I didn't need to expand any more to win, so there was no reason for me to do anything but repeatedly deploy and hammer him.

Edited 4/23/2014 17:50:21
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 17:58:10


Master Potato
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By what I said I would wait as long as I'm online until it becomes obvious they have left.
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 19:26:39

Master Bjarke
Level 63
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I would have booted earlier than you actually did. Boot times are there for a reason - I don't want to sit and wait for someone to maybe come back. I generally give people I know more time though
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 19:31:14


The National Socialist
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I usually give about twice the normal boot time if the person just left without saying anything.

I like to give that time because sometimes your Internet may have issues, your computer crashed, etc.
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 20:28:58


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
Level 51
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Remember you should always ask if they are there before booting!

    *If they have no chance at winning a war with me boot at 0 *They have not said one thing boot at 0 *Never Boot at 0 if it is a major country
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 20:31:16


Jefferspin 
Level 61
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I give more time but thats because I usually take forever and hope other would do the same for me.
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 21:03:22


<SNinja>gg
Level 31
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i will ask if they are there and if they don't respond i boot after about a minute. may seem harsh but i think it is fair
When to Boot?: 4/23/2014 22:12:36

{rp} Kvich 
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I personally never check boot count before booting, and in the 1v1 5 min auto game, I tend to boot after 6 to 8 minutes, depending on my moot, and how occupied I am elsewhere.
I personally don't want to wait 10 15 minutes for someone to possible take their turn, when I'm sitting and having a game just before bed.
Any other game I play is multi days, and quite often with people I know.
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 03:26:58


Cheery Dog
Level 57
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Depends on how fast they've been taking their other turns.
In realtime, I'd probably ask, and boot about double the boot time (well at least that's what I did do the one realtime I've booted someone)

If it's multiday and they've been taking turns slowly and I'm getting frustrated with that I'd boot asap. (unless they're talked about it before) If it's also the start of a game, them not taking a turn tells me they're not actually interested in playing.
I tend to go with leaving it to autoboot nowadays anyway, or make my own autoboot up at the normal time it would be in a tournament (doubleish)
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 03:29:34


Beren • apex 
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I don't really like playing games where the direct boot is different than the auto boot unless I'm playing with someone I know. That way I don't have to worry about it.
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 05:52:35


professor dead piggy 
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Never ever boot someone. If you don't want to continue a game for any reason surrender. Your winrate is not important for anything besides making the prereqs of games you want to join. Most games prereqs are 50% and a handful of surrenders are not going to take anyone posting in this thread below 50%.

Edited 4/24/2014 05:53:05
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 11:10:53


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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I remember one of the game links you posted was a boot Piggy ;) That was a ladder game too.
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 11:12:58


professor dead piggy 
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Ladder is autoboot
When to Boot?: 4/24/2014 22:17:57

Good Kid 
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"Never ever boot someone. If you don't want to continue a game for any reason surrender."

That seems an odd view. Specifically, because if people followed it you wouldn't typically be faced with the decision of whether to boot them or not.
When to Boot?: 4/25/2014 01:05:20


professor dead piggy 
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Warlight players follow bad strategies all the time. When to boot is no exception. Doing something because everyone else does it means you are a bah bah black sheep.
When to Boot?: 4/25/2014 01:28:10


Darkpie 
Level 61
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Multiday - Let the autoboot kick in

Realtime - Just decide case by case, don't be a dick though.
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