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Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 02:47:09


SkyLimit
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I'll start with some numbers:

GDP (Nominal), 2010:

1. California $1.936 trillion
2. Canada $1.577 trillion

GDP (Per Capita), 2010:

1. California $51,914
2. Canada $46,361

Exports, 2011:

1. Canada $463,100,000,000
2. California $159,000,000,000

Labor Force, 2009:

1. Canada 18.4 million
2. California 18.2 million

GDP Growth Rate:

1. Canada 2.2%
2. California 1.5%
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Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 03:03:30


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Washington and Oregon would not allow this :-D
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 03:08:36


Lord Veigar
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1. This shouldn't be in general forum. It should be in the off topic one

2. In a real situation, California wouldn't be fighting Canada by itself. The rest of the U.S would most likely help (not to mention that so far we are in pretty friendly terms and we Canadians like peace) so this war would never actually happen at the moment.

3. Assuming a war did happen, Canada would have an easier time sustaining itself by exporting a lot more than California, and since Canada has an official army (there is no such thing as a Californian army) it is already more organized and ready for an invasion.

Also, Canada's GDP is actually roughly somewhere in the 1.8 trillion mark
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 03:18:25


SkyLimit
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I'm just suspriesd that California is almost just as strong as Canada. and it's just 1 state in the Union.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 03:23:01


Lord Veigar
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It's quite hard when the total population of Canada is only about 1/10 of the U.S
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 03:35:04


SkyLimit
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For China and Canada the population is 43:1
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 12:25:04


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I'm just suspriesd that California is almost just as strong as Canada.

It isn't, those numbers mean nothing. If GDP per Capita was any reflection on millitary capabilities then Quatar would be top, followed by Luxembourg, Singapore, Norway then Brunei. While nominal GPD is slightly more accurate there are still countless other variables to consider, and as Mylor said, these figures are a little off.

Edited 4/18/2014 12:25:11
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:19:22


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actually every state in the USA has a state militia so TECHNICALLY California does have a army... just not a full time trained army
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:46:44


Richard Sharpe 
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SNinja, where exactly are you getting that from? Maybe the states had militias back in Revolutionary War era but they most certainly do not now.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:47:34


The National Socialist
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Richard, we still have militias
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:55:01


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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8 men in the back of a pickup is not a militia.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:57:31


Richard Sharpe 
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No, we really don't.
Some states have the crazy paramilitary militias. Those are just whackjobs.
Some states have state guards which are reserves who backfill for the National Guard but not every state has those and those that do are generally something of a joke.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 15:58:44


The National Socialist
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Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:00:12


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Just scanned the picture.

Eight men in ... a pickup
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The National Socialist
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I counted 6 men, a boy and a woman
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Richard Sharpe 
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Michigan militia is a right-wing paramilitary force with absolutely no ties to state or local government. In fact, I'd wager they are largely illegal.

They are whackadoos with weapons and certainly don't qualify as a true militia.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:08:58


The National Socialist
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Lulz, it's true. My state has nothing ._.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:22:56


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State militia are now comprised of National Guard who are "usually" ex-military or reserve, but also comprised of civilians. Every state is permitted to have one, but not necessarily required and these National Guard units have access to the full array of military hardware available to G.I. They are considered reserve and technically shouldn't be sent outside US territory, however, since the Clinton administration it's become standard practice to send them into combat zones for "defensive purposes".

For all intents and purposes, they are the modern state militias that every state in the Union has a right, but not requirement, to have. Many states, like Colorado, have multiple battalions.

-Source, my step-father was in the National Guard, sent to Bosnia and Iraq.

Oh and no Richard, they aren't generally a joke, but if your only experience of them is through the media, then I can understand how you'd think that. Maybe you should stop reading so much and start living a little, armchair philosophy is so 18th century :P
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:27:35


Richard Sharpe 
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Hauptmann, I was referencing State Defense Forces, not National Guard. They are two distinct things as I clearly stated. National Guard is ultimately a federal institution and not state, though the governor can direct them.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:33:08


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Well, while California doesn't have an army, certainly some of the US Army's soldiers came from California, right?

Assuming we just want soldiers from California, a rough estimate would be to take California's population compared to the US, and then use that proportion on the US Army to get an (actually trained) Californian Army.

I'm too lazy to look up more factual sources, but based on Wikipedia...
California has about 12% of the US population
The US Army has about 1.1 million people

1.1 million*12% = 132,000 soldiers for California (lazy estimate)
Canada: 120,000 soldiers
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 16:43:13


Lord Veigar
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That is assuming that California gives an amount of soldiers proportional to its percentage of its population in the US.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 21:46:23


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Well, I was going to refute the "8 guys in a pickup" theory, but every picture I can find of NC militia members... are roughly 8 guys in a pickup.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 21:53:01


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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AHA, its the Texas State Guard (which is technically just a State militia)

Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 22:18:12


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The exception to the rule ;)
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/18/2014 22:46:41


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It really depends on the scenario, is california invading canada? is canada invading california or are they squaring off in Montanna?? if it is an invasion, the defender can easily fortify their territory and set up machine gun nests, trenches and traps. Canada is such a huge nation and if California were to invade i suppose they would start from the west and go east, and we see how well Nazi Germany did invading the vast expanse of Russia. While californians wouldnt have anywhere to go while canadians invade the state and could capture vital regions of the state's survival such as key roads/factories/power plantsa and would disconnect the state whereas if California were to take over a province, the provinces are so huge they would be selfsustaining for a while and the other side of canada could be producing weaponry like nuts. I've heard of California having water issues, rolling brown outs and such, their infrastructure would not be able to support a war at this magnitude i believe. Now, if they were squaring off in Montanna or such, it would depend on how advanced the military is and the technology, it doesnt matter how much men there is, but their skills and equipment. You can see this in WWII, Russia lost more men than all other countries combined, if Russia and Germany had the same amount of troops whereas Stalin couldn't throw men at Hitler, it would be a different story.

Anybody want to add to this theory or poke holes?? you are welcomed to :)
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/19/2014 00:27:13


Lord Veigar
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I don't see why it should be fought in Montana.
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/19/2014 03:30:45


Taishō 
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Montana doesn't have sparkling vampires with a mafia connection to Italy, so there's less geopolitics involved.

I mean we are playing out a fantasy war here...
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/19/2014 05:27:08


The Mad Japanese
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If it is between California and Canada then they should play it out in Alaska or Washington
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/19/2014 22:35:19


Arc Light
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Technically, the California national guard would be "the militia".
Who will win in a Canada California war?: 4/19/2014 22:59:12

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Coming from a Californian, we would lose. Badly. We'd have more protesters than soldiers.
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