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remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 19:18:42


Dakoish-Empire
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hi, I am remaking the map europa barbarorum and I need some ideas for it

here is the map I am remaking: http://warlight.net/Map.aspx?ID=3284
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 19:28:23


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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That´s great news, I always thought this map had so much potential. It could become a classic if it was just balanced and prettyfied.

Smooth the borders and balance the bonuses and it´ll be great! I´ve never been able to play it due to the graphics, but from a brief look, those country bonuses overpower the west.

Also give the Sahara a bonus of it´s own, so we as players can adjust it to be whatever wish, either 0 or minus.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 19:31:06


Richard Sharpe 
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Define re-making...

Are you just making a clone of this map? Or have you talked with the creator of it and taken over control of it?
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 20:38:13


Dakoish-Empire
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I never talked to the creator and with the Sahara desert I would just not make it a bonus but rather just an art work with the name of the creator and the remaker witch is me
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 21:14:32


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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If he has gone inactive you can adopt it, which is what I thought you were going to do.

I guess since this map is based off of a game, remaking and improving it wouldn´t be as bad as if you took it from somebody´s actual work.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 21:32:01


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He has only been inactive for 4 days which doesn't count in my mind. The map is still his original work and it can't simply be copied or outright stolen.

dakoish, safe yourself a major hassle and try to contact the mapmaker to get his approval for what you intend to do. If that doesn't work the contact Fizzer and ask his advice on the situation. The last thing you want to do is put all the effort into revamping the map only to be told it can't go public due to it's similarity to an existing map.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 21:39:09


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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I hadn´t looked at his profile, I agree 4 days isn´t enough time to really be considering him inactive.

But basing a map off of the same source as another mapmaker did isn´t against the rules, is it?

Look at the amount of world maps and lord of the rings´ maps there are, and this one could definately use another version, as it looks so good but is unplayable to me due to the graphics.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 21:49:48


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you keep pestering the maker to imporve it since it is only 4 days inactive.
What is it with people remaking maps over thousands of ideas to do.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 22:02:44


Richard Sharpe 
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Francisco, the problem is in remaking the map. If you are planninng on using the same or very similar territories then you are essentially infringing on copyright. You are essentially stealing someone else's intellectual property.

The many world maps all have their unique qualities that separate them from the others and make each unique. A remake (as I look at the term) would not be unique.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 22:25:37


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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But the maker of that map, is not the inventor of the original map. The territories are taken from a game-map, if I remember correctly. What the original mapper did, was add bonuses and redrew it on inkscape, and it these two things which are needed to be remade anyway.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 22:33:17


Richard Sharpe 
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I don't pretend to know exactly how the original map was laid out but I would highly wager that some aspects of that map are original creations. As such, those original aspects are intellectual property.

As I said above, the best option is to check with Fizzer to determine whether such a remake would be acceptable. Would safe the guy a hell of a lot of work that could be wasted.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 22:35:12


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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True, but in that case wouldn´t adopting it be the better idea? Or is their a limit to how much you can change as an adonpter?
remake europa barbarorum: 5/11/2012 22:53:59


Richard Sharpe 
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To my knowledge, you can do anything as an adoptive owner. However, maps are only given out for adoption at the owner's request or if the original mapmaker is long inactive. Four days is not long inactive.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 00:55:49


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A remake of the map I edited wouldn't necessarily be called Europa Barbarorum then, if you edited the original states. The only things I added, to be honest, were Ethiopia, India, Siberia, and some minor changes here and there. You can make a map based off of mine, but it might have to be re-titled, all of the territories re-outlined, and maybe even expand or shrink it to see your needs.

Just know that when I added the new eastern territories, I tried my best to make the territory names as historically accurate as possible, similar to the original EB map. If you can do the same, I would appreciate it.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 11:26:02


Dakoish-Empire
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but I will won't put india in the map but how did you got India. I might change my mind
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 11:54:19


Dakoish-Empire
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and I will add art work to the map so it won't look exactly like it
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 13:21:55


i-like-swords
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In order to make the new areas, I had to find a map of the place and approximate where the borders of the territories were.
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 14:47:23


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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you should also add the two 'missing' superbonuses
remake europa barbarorum: 5/12/2012 21:11:48


Dakoish-Empire
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Naa, I will add new superpowers like the umayyad and etc. but I hate the Persians so no fuckin' Persian empire in this map
remake europa barbarorum: 5/13/2012 13:11:36


Dakoish-Empire
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I will change the name to barbaric Europe/world or something
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