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A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/6/2012 15:21:22


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Before I start, let me just say that I set the 2/3/5 + Vac boot settings in this tourney, for better or worse. I'm aware of that and will likely use shorter settings in the future.

That said, a short while ago I released a fun little map (yes, I do mean a little one, not the gigantic one most of you know) and decided to give it a bit of exposure for some quick feedback. I had someone set up a 64 player single-elimination 2v2 tourney, assuming that it would be over and done with pretty quickly. WRONG.

Tomorrow marks one month since most of the games started, and though there were a few slow first-round games, one in particular stands out. Currently, they are on turn 15 (a 2 day/turn average) without any of the players having used a vacation. One player has an average turn speed of 1 day 17 hours! This means that over the course of the month, they have played MORE slowly than a double turn every three days.

Which brings me to the point of this post. What are your thoughts on this? Is it sensible for a two-team game on an 88-territory map to go on for more than a month? Is it rude to play single turns after making the other players wait 2 days?

I really am asking only for opinions and discussion. If you want to blacklist the player then do so, but no need to post. I know in past discussions about slow play, it's been suggested that losing players play slower (not the case here) and players play slower when they want to think more or the game is important (both of which I would argue would not be the case here either, as typically a very limited number of moves are made on this map, and the tourney itself carries very little reward).

[Here](http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2477619) is the game link.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/6/2012 16:42:03

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I don`t think it`s rude as loog the boot-limit isn`t exeeded, And now mda have surrendered so I think this game wil be over pretty quick.

I have played this map and it`sso well-balenced (well done muppet:)) that it could take 20-30 turns before the result is clear.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/7/2012 19:17:46


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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perhaps the slow player is following some tips.
Some guy posted on here how to go about playing war light in moderation, one of the tips was to not take a turn as soon as it played. It was said that you should wait a day or to, then take your turn.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/7/2012 19:33:16

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People (at least ones who read the settings) select games that match the boot times that they find acceptable. A 2-3 day boot game will sometimes run into a person who can just barely meet that timeframe. They are following the rules that you set, and were unaware that you had an ideal timeframe to finish the game that was much shorter than the boot times indicated.

I know some people who are only on here every 2-3 days, and say they cannot play any more often than that.

If you want to leave higher boot times, perhaps you could add a personal message about not joining if you can't play fairly often?
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/7/2012 21:50:05


[REGL] Pooh 
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Consider Banking Boots Times that rewards people for playing quick normally, but is flexible when things come up occassionally.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/7/2012 23:27:17


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i often play slow when there 's a lot of thinking involved, this can actually also happen on small maps with limited possibilities, because every mistake you make counts harder and something like advancing fast in an area can be more important
(in bigger maps it is often easy to just threaten a bonus and knowing that it is located in such a way that you re gonna break it eventually anyhow and you just play defensively)
I d say the difficulty lays mostly in how "even" the game is, if i know i only have ~10% chance to win (for any reason) there is no reason to take a turn instead of surrendering unless i actually try to use the chance i have
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/8/2012 01:32:19


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Bah, I didn't want this to be a discussion about boot times. I realize the effect that the settings have and admit that I could have set them to something more appropriate for my liking. I tried to suggest that in my original post.

@[REGL]John That is a something to keep in mind, since "things come up" is the only reason I put boot times over 2 days in my games.

Within a two-day boot, I feel that playing every two days is acceptable. It's more slowly than I play, but it's reasonable. The issue on which I was curious about people's feelings was someone regularly playing only a single turn every two-plus days. Of course a double turn cannot be played every time if the player wishes to consult with his teammate, but it seems a bit excessive to me to create that delay nearly every turn.

My intention was not to debate any legality of the habit or take away from the player in any way. I was hoping more, I suppose, of getting some feedback on how normal/frequent this habit is and how people feel about it. I personally hadn't encountered a case like this before and I certainly wasn't expecting to have my "quick little" 64-player, 32-team, single elimination tournament potentially run for 5 months.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/8/2012 03:42:37

Dr. TypeSomething 
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I would do it in a second, and have had many people do it to me. To me, the boot time is the minimum turn time. As long as you get your turn in under the boot time, you are doing what is required for that game. I find there are times when I can play quite a bit faster than the boot, and times when I can't. I would feel no guilt playing once every 2 days, 23 hours, and 55 minutes in a three day boot game. Probably the best game of Warlight I have had my opponent was doing just that. Made it intense.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/8/2012 12:41:08

The Duke of Ben 
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If everyone lived on Warlight 16 hours a day, I would be bothered by people taking more than a day to play their turn. Since not everyone does, and I've met some cool people who don't play every day, I'd say that it's perfectly acceptable.
A Quick Tourney? Notsomuch.: 5/12/2012 16:23:47


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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i go once or twice a day on here, i make my move on gamesand have a look on the forums. Today is the first time I've played a big real time game for a couple of months now
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