<< Back to Map Development Forum   Search

Posts 1 - 30 of 30   
Feedback on my first map: 4/28/2012 16:55:20


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
http://WarLight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=12724

This is the first map I ever made and my first Inkscape experience. What do you guys think about it? Do you like it or not? And do you think it's worthwile going public?
Feedback on my first map: 4/28/2012 18:08:32


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
Level 55
Report
It's very nice, I think you should go public with it!

I like the idea of it, and it could be fun to play on.

I'd suggest including mainland Turkey into the Turkish territory however, just for aesthetic purposes.
Feedback on my first map: 4/28/2012 19:34:16


Ironheart
Level 53
Report
agree with clavius
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 02:13:00

Boudicca
Level 12
Report
I love the concept of using language groups! I look forward to playing this map!
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 12:38:16


Major Risk 
Level 51
Report
I "magnar" country in romania some sort of teleport because it seems to link to countries that aren't bordered :D
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 13:21:43


Major Risk 
Level 51
Report
Ah I seem to be wrong - it is part of hungary :-) Nice map anyways!
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 14:13:53


JAM
Level 6
Report
Some territories seem to be named in their language with english in (parentheses), but some territories are named in their language without the english. You should make all of the territories the same.
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 14:16:19


JAM
Level 6
Report
also some territories are capitalized and some arent.
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 15:21:42


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
*Clavicus: mainland Turkey included
*Major Risk: Indeed, there is a big minority of hungarian speaking people in that area.
*JAM: For every territory, I used the name of the language in the language in itself. This means that:
- for the places where they don't use the latin script, I included English for simplicity. For the other ones, I didn't. This seemed logical to me.
-Indeed, some territories, like "français" are not capitalized because in their own language (being French in this example), you don't write languages with a capital letter. (So it is "anglais, néerlandais, allemand ... ) I know this is particulary true for French but for the others, I had to check wikipedia. However, if anyone notices a mistake, please tell me.
Feedback on my first map: 4/29/2012 16:07:37


Domenico
Level 16
Report
Danish should be Dansk.
Also I think you might want to name the Euskara bonus Iberian language(s), which is a little disputable, but certainly less pejorative than Isolate.
Feedback on my first map: 5/1/2012 11:14:25


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
And what about "Unique language" instead of Isolate? Though I don't really see your point in saying it's pejorative to call it an isolate. As far as wikipedia tells me, 'isolate' is a correct term to describe a language that isn't coneccted to any other in the entire world.
Feedback on my first map: 5/1/2012 14:44:06

RvW 
Level 46
Report
|> Indeed, some territories, like "français" are not capitalized because in their own language (being French in this example), you don't write languages with a capital letter. (So it is "anglais, néerlandais, allemand ... )

But you're using the word as a name. If you have a map with a territory called "Castle", you would capitalise it, even though English normally doesn't capitalise nouns (unlike, for instance, German). Also, even if there's a good reason behind it, it's rather obscure and non-obvious, making it *look* inconsistent even if it's not. So I'd suggest capitalising all territory names anyway. But, it's just a suggestion; ultimately it's your decision.

---

Euskara is the Basque language, right? The only correct name for that bonus would indeed be "Isolate", that's the term used by language science.
My apologies for saying this Domenico, but calling it "Iberian" is not simply "disputable", it's wrong. Half of the Basque-speaking region is in France (not on the Iberian peninsula) and the large majority of the Iberian peninsula doesn't speak Basque. If Hungarian wasn't related to Finnish, you wouldn't propose to call the Hungarian bonus "Balkan" either, would you?
Finally, I don't think there's anything pejorative about "Isolate". Just like, for instance, "Lower Saxon" is in no way pejorative.

---

Really interesting concept, great idea!
Feedback on my first map: 5/1/2012 21:42:12


uga98
Level 2
Report
I like it, but one thing i dont get is what is Uralic meaning?
Anyways the map is boss, and I think you should show it to public, its alot better then some maps...
Feedback on my first map: 5/1/2012 22:11:26


Arc Light
Level 53
Report
I like how you showed where languges clashed. Its a good map
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 02:51:39

RvW 
Level 46
Report
@m1919:

The Ural is a mountain range, essentially it's the division between Europe and Asia. It gave its name to a group of languages which (I assume) developed somewhere in that general vicinity, making them the Uralic language group. Members of this group (which is quite distinct from other language groups) are Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian (even though Hungary is a fair distance away from Finland and Estonia, with the countries in between speaking completely different (Slavic) languages) and Sami (nomadic tribes, if you happen to be from North America the easiest, semi-accurate comparison is probably Indians / Eskimos, which live in the Northern parts of Finland, Sweden and Norway).

While I am aware that Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland often get bunched up in "Scandinavia" and there are major similarities between those countries and cultures, Finland has a completely different language. Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are all very similar (speaking one will make it relatively easy to learn any of the others), but this is not at all the case with Finnish; speaking all of the first three fluently does not help you in the slightest if you were to try and learn Finnish.
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 07:29:08


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
Well, RvW, you seem to know a lot about it and as far as I know all you tell is correct. Also, your capitalization argument seems fine to me. I'll change it today or tomorrow. Any more comments are welcome.
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 08:16:43


Urfang
Level 55
Report
Nice map and very good idea. Maybe you can place some other uralic language territory wich are in the european side of Russia, like nyenyec, komi, mari, or udmurt.

http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Oeraals_verspreiding-af.svg&filetimestamp=20090305225615
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 12:34:52

thehenkan
Level 18
Report
I love the idea, but can I ask why some of the borders look like a square wave? Is it because those languages overlap in those areas?
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 13:42:33


Domenico
Level 16
Report
I do wonder why that map is in Afrikaans when it's about your language family...
Also, what status do these extra Uralic languages have in Russia?

Anyhow, I must have been misinformed, because as far as I knew, because Basque is the only remaining language of those spoken on the peninsula before the Romans came, it was called Iberian.
Naturally, if *Isolate*'s the word, it's the word.
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 13:52:35


Domenico
Level 16
Report
Also, there is a little part of Sardinia where Catalan is spoken, so I think the two languages should at least connect.
Also, you didn't use Occidental or Allemannisch. I'm not sure what their status is, but if it's like the status of e.g. Sardinian or Frisian, then you do have to add those, of course.
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 16:53:03


skunk940 
Level 58
Report
I good for a first attempt
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 17:29:39

wigibob
Level 3
Report
I think this a very unique map and a very good idea you could make several maps using the same idea e.g. africa asia america and the world
Feedback on my first map: 5/2/2012 19:56:16

RvW 
Level 46
Report
thehenkan wrote:
|> I love the idea, but can I ask why some of the borders look like a square wave? Is it because those languages overlap in those areas?

I did not create this map, but yes, I think that's exactly the reason.

While in most areas one language is spoken by the vast majority of people, there are cases of two languages coexisting, both spoken by a large part of the population. When drawing maps of such cases it's quite common to use bars of alternating colour (each corresponding to one of the languages) in a way vaguely similar to a pedestrian crossing.
Since it is not possible to use colours on a WL map (since colours are already used to show which player controls a territory), this seems a nice solution.

Here's an [example](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iberia_300BC.svg).

---

Domenico wrote:
|> Anyhow, I must have been misinformed, because as far as I knew, because Basque is the only remaining language of those spoken on the peninsula before the Romans came, it was called Iberian.

Just to be perfectly sure, I double checked. At least according to [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_languages), "*Iberian languages* is a generic term for the languages currently or formerly spoken in the Iberian Peninsula.", being solely geography-based, disregarding languages families.

It's quite an interesting article to read actually; I had no idea there've been so many languages, from so many different families, in Spain (curiously enough, it seems Portugal for the most part used to stick to one language all the time).

---

Domenico wrote:
|> Also, what status do these extra Uralic languages have in Russia?

[Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_languages)
Feedback on my first map: 5/3/2012 15:43:59


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
@ Urfang: As you may notice, I cut off the map just West of Kaukasus. I did this because the language situation there is quite to very complicated.That also means I'm not doing any other languages east of that line.

@thehenkan: As Petrenko and RvW guessed, that indicates where 'languages clashed'.

@domenico: -Occidental is a 'constructed language'but i guess you meant occitan or provencal. Wikipedia says those languages are at least 'severly endagered' meaning only elderly people speak the language fluently. The status on Alemanisch is discussed. Some say it's a dialect while others say it's a variant on german. Frysian in contrast certainly is a language different from Dutch. Sardinian is a language as well. However I like your idea, so I'll think about it. If you know any more, bring them on.
-There is only one small city on Sardinia where Catalan is spoken. I don't know if I should connect them. It's usually done in other European maps, but since in this map the Iberian peninsula is "more" connected to the continent than usually, it might not be necessary.

Thanks for your feedback and cooperation.

PS: for another map, I'm looking for a specific English word meaning "at the borders of water" with the water in this case being a canal or a port and the border not being paved or whatsoever. The word should thus be something like "quay" or "wharf" or "border" or so.
Feedback on my first map: 5/3/2012 16:57:40


Domenico
Level 16
Report
Ah yes, of course, Occitan. I wasn't sure what their official status was, but since you added Brezhoneg, also endangered I believe, I figured those might stand a chance, too.
These same things go for the Italian minority languages like Venetian. Did you compare their status, with which I mean their usage rather than official status.
Indeed, language situations on other continents are often either completely erratic (Africa and Asia) or monotonous (America and Oceania).

At the borders of water --> Shore?
Feedback on my first map: 5/4/2012 11:31:19


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
|>Indeed, language situations on other continents are often either completely erratic (Africa and Asia) or monotonous (America and Oceania).

Yep, Europe has the perfect language mix.

About the languages: It seems to be very hard to make a good criterium: official status in a country? official status as language/variant/dialect/...? official status on being used a lot, being extinct ... ?
To make this map consistent , I think I should leave out Cornish and Breton. That could make a "logical" division on which languages to use in this map. Do you agree on this?
It almost seems necessary to make a second map titled "Europe by local languages and dialects" or "detailed Europe by language" or something similar.

And about the water: isn't shore specific for a sea or a (big) lake? what I mean is something like this:

![](http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lissewege_-_Boudewijnkanaal_1.jpg)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lissewege_-_Boudewijnkanaal_1.jpg

(what you see on the other side of the canal)
Feedback on my first map: 5/4/2012 12:56:55


[中国阳朔]TexasJohn 
Level 35
Report
RvW, not to jump on the "that's an offensive word" bandwagon, but apparently "Eskimo" is quite offensive to the native peoples of far North America. I believe most of them prefer to be called Inuit.
Feedback on my first map: 5/4/2012 14:14:14


Moros 
Level 50
Report
On the other hand, the Yupik are very much like the Inuit, but they prefer to be called Eskimo over Inuit.
Feedback on my first map: 5/4/2012 15:16:59


Domenico
Level 16
Report
Antiloopje, I can't be sure, but I think what's on your picture is a bank.
Texas John's a native, so he should know, aren't I right, John?
Feedback on my first map: 5/4/2012 15:36:25


antiloopje
Level 8
Report
Yep, that's it. Thanks for helping :)
Posts 1 - 30 of 30