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New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/18/2012 17:21:00

Qi 
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http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=11913

Things I have left to do:

1. Touch up borders (to eliminate overlapping areas and gaps and to make it look a bit better in general).
2. Redraw/fix/touch up borders for Iran, Iraq, Caucuses/Black Sea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan: they aren't realistic.
3. Arrange bonus links for mega bonuses (to make it look better).
4.Maybe: make 2-3 territories become 1 in crowded center, then shrink the map to make all territories smaller.

Aside from the above planned changes, any suggestions?
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/18/2012 17:39:22

The Duke of Ben 
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Why are the meta-bonuses so small? Saudi Arabia is worth 11 alone, but holding it all is only worth 1 more? It seems to defeat the purpose of even having a meta-bonus. (I don't like meta-bonuses, so removing it works for me, it just seems odd to have them in this case).

I would agree about #4, it's too crowded in certain areas. It also doesn't mesh well to have really big territories and very small territories, sometimes next to each other.

Otherwise it looks like a really nice map. I will say that I didn't spend a lot of time looking at map balance, though I'm sure you are aware of those issues better than me anyway.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/18/2012 18:32:45


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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I don´t have time to fully analyze it, but it´s a very nice map. I love the idea of it!
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/18/2012 18:42:45


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Oh, but I would suggest adding a few territories on the Russia-Georgia Border, like Abkhazia and Ossetia.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/18/2012 18:43:53


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Bleh, you already have those, I mean on the Russian side of the border.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 07:37:23


The Yellow Team
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Looks like it should be a good map, Gui. Nice work.

As for things to fix, you've misspelt Morocco.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 09:19:47


Gnullbegg 
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This is nitpicking, but why did you name those territories at the Bab al-Mandab and the Strait of Hormuz "chokepoints"? I mean they are chokepoints but it sounds a bit off to me. Are Western/Eastern Strait of Hormuz & Northern/Southern Gate of Grief really too long?
And there's still some space left at the western edge of the map, so why not move put Iceland a little closer to it's actual location? Right now it looks a bit like Greater Orkney... ;)
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 11:53:12

Qi 
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Thanks. Moroccococococo fixed. Iceland relocated after economic crisis. Northern/Southern Gate and Western/Eastern Strait as new names.

I've been trying to deal with a larger problem (Africa map + Europe map + Middle East SVG from Matma --> sizing problems in Europe) and a minor problem (cut up the largest territories and delete or stretch the smallest).
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 12:34:58


Gnullbegg 
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How about adding another strait at the Bosporus/Dardanelles connecting with Ukraine in the north and Greece in the South? Or linking Greece with the Turkish Aegean region?
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 13:01:28

Qi 
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I considered the link. It does make sense to add separate territories though, since I did that elsewhere on three occasions.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 15:12:06

wigibob
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this is a good map but does great britain really need a connection to denmark? it seems very strange
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 16:18:21

Qi 
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i guess great britain is no longer the master of the seas lol
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/19/2012 16:48:16


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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why do you call him gui?
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 10:55:26


i-like-swords
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You've named more than one territory Desert. Name the one in India Thar Desert and name the one in Saudi Arabia as Rub al-Kahlih. Plus, can you please split Tibet and Xinjiang? They are totally different from each other and should be split, in my opinion.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 11:28:50


Dakoish-Empire
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there is something wrong with Yemen, when ever you click on the 2 bonus it doesn't show the Yemen areas
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 11:35:53

Qi 
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swords, good ideas.

dak, i was working on yemen: deleted 2-3 territories and east/west yemen became yemen.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 11:37:13

Qi 
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i shrank the map and am now adjusting everything. so some things are too small right now.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 12:27:58


The One
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The Bonus Links seem very small to me. Wich size do they have in inkscape? I mean, on a bonus of 2 you can't see more than half the number. and the Meta bonus links too should be bigger. Nice map anyway :)
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/20/2012 13:23:10

Qi 
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i shrank the map and am now adjusting everything. so some things are too small right now.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 07:45:39

Qi 
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http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=11913

New name: 'Eurasia & Africa'

Planned Changes:

- Change some names in center ('Middle East' map maker has some random names)
- Redraw national borders in center (to be more realistic).
- Add territories (to fill space): Scotland. N/S Norway/Sweden. E/W Ukraine.
- Continue to fix borders: Russia. Sahara. India. Biggest/smallest territories.
- Name/make connections for unnamed territories.

Aside from these changes, any suggestions?

Two questions:

-Should I enlarge the map west, to include more of Greenland?
-Should I enlarge the map south, to include all of Africa?
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 08:40:38


Timinator • apex 
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Actually i don't see any sense why Greenland is there.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 12:16:32

Qi 
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it is there in reality.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 13:10:20


Hugo
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May I suggest a bonus for the whole Russia?
It could be interesting also thinking about one bonus for all Lybia, one for Algeria and one for Turkey...
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 14:39:37

Qi 
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i dont like greenland as a territory. perhaps this is what you mean too. i made it a shaded gray region that is seen but cant be played on...it's hard to ignore it completely if it is there.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 14:44:53

Qi 
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ok hugo. russia (bc it's so big) and turkey (for fatih & saladin) were going to get one eventually. lybia and algeria getting one is fine.

the reason i didnt: for appearances' sake (to glance at the map and see it has 75 bonuses can mislead people into assuming the map's strategy is different than what it is, if 15 of the bonuses are super bonuses).
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 14:58:07

RvW 
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@The Duke of Ben
|> Why are the meta-bonuses so small? Saudi Arabia is worth 11 alone, but holding it all is only worth 1 more? It seems to defeat the purpose of even having a meta-bonus. (I don't like meta-bonuses, so removing it works for me, it just seems odd to have them in this case).

This makes it far easier for people who do like superbonuses to give them a higher value...? Also, it's not just one additional army, often it will also give you a much more defendable border.

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@General Arun {Warlighter}
|> why do you call him gui?

Because that's what he used to be called; check [his profile](http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=943909819), he changes names relatively often.

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@i-like-swords
|> You've named more than one territory Desert.

There's also two "Oil Refinery Pirates", could you maybe rename one of them as well, or add (kinda lame...) North and South suffixes if all else fails?

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@Evreux
|> -Should I enlarge the map south, to include all of Africa?

My screen is width is greater than it's height, so for "fitting on screen" purposes, the current proportions of the map are quite nice. Additionally, if you expand further to the South, you'll get empty areas in the lower left and (especially) lower right corner of the map; that's wasted space and a pity if you ask me.

You have a "Shia" transnational bonus. I don't know much about Islamic regions, but wouldn't it make sense to add a "Sunni" transnational bonus as well?
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 20:12:27

Qi 
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Thanks. I've been meaning to change the pirate's name, but always put it off until later.

Sunni bonus: The map was originally 'the Greater Middle East and Europe' and everything not Europe, Shia and obviously not Muslim (Russia, China, India, etc.) on the original version was Sunni. I'll add that.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 22:18:20


JAM
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You could make the "big" bonuses worth 0, so unless it is changed in the settings they won't appear.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 22:22:59

Qi 
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the main reason for having the big bonuses: so the areas can be highlighted.

i would delete them entirely before i make them all worth 0. no highlighting, no purpose.
New Map: Greater Middle East & Europe: 4/23/2012 22:54:35


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You should make Corsica part of the West Europe Bonus as it is a French Territory
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