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Stacking: 3/15/2014 07:17:17


Nicola
Level 57
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In the New Update it says this:

"Stacking lottery games so you always win is against the rules. The games must be random, that’s why it’s a lottery. If you see someone stacking a lottery game, please report them using the in-game report system."

I see 1 player in particular doing this all the time, his name is MG and he uses his multiple alts in his own Lottery games and constantly gives his main account, MG, the win. Check the Win rates on his alts, it is blatant.

Hundreds of examples like this: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5554902
Things like: 13 player FFA: 0 / 432 (0%)
Using these alts:
Lolototo
Destroyer
gestapo
monster101

Isnt this against the rules? I am uncomfortable joining a lottery game where I know it's not equally random. In fact, just by me joining it, I am feeding points to MGs account.

Just wondering how legal that is.

Edited 3/15/2014 15:23:59
Stacking: 3/15/2014 07:47:40


UnlimitedLawlz
Level 54
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You really didn't need a thread. You should have just reported it.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 11:51:10


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
Level 59
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It falls under "you shall not use alt in order to give thee advantage over opponents in any single game"

definitely against the rules regardless if it's a lottery game or not.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 13:00:56

Widzisz • apex 
Level 60
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Completed 4181 ranked games (1771 / 4181)

1v1: 616 / 1061 (58%)
3 player FFA: 26 / 53 (49%)
4 player FFA: 220 / 805 (27%)
5 player FFA: 340 / 504 (67%)
6 player FFA: 38 / 139 (27%)
7 player FFA: 29 / 122 (24%)
8 player FFA: 8 / 32 (25%)
9 player FFA: 75 / 257 (29%)
10 player FFA: 21 / 43 (49%)
11 player FFA: 1 / 2 (50%)
12 player FFA: 16 / 69 (23%)
13 player FFA: 186 / 528 (35%)
14 player FFA: 8 / 9 (89%)
15 player FFA: 3 / 8 (38%)
16 player FFA: 16 / 23 (70%)
17 player FFA: 9 / 11 (82%)
18 player FFA: 3 / 6 (50%)
19 player FFA: 1 / 1 (100%)
20 player FFA: 5 / 29 (17%)
21 player FFA: 16 / 82 (20%)
22 player FFA: 0 / 2 (0%)
23 player FFA: 0 / 6 (0%)
24 player FFA: 0 / 1 (0%)
25 player FFA: 2 / 3 (67%)
26 player FFA: 6 / 74 (8%)
27 player FFA: 1 / 5 (20%)
28 player FFA: 1 / 2 (50%)
29 player FFA: 0 / 4 (0%)
30 player FFA: 1 / 1 (100%)
31 player FFA: 0 / 9 (0%)
32 player FFA: 2 / 33 (6%)
33 player FFA: 0 / 1 (0%)
35 player FFA: 0 / 4 (0%)
36 player FFA: 3 / 31 (10%)
38 player FFA: 0 / 1 (0%)
40 player FFA: 5 / 27 (19%)
2v2: 45 / 85 (53%)
2v2v2: 11 / 16 (69%)
3v3: 28 / 44 (64%)
3v3v3: 0 / 1 (0%)
4v4: 8 / 16 (50%)
5v5: 17 / 24 (71%)
6v6: 1 / 1 (100%)
7v7: 1 / 3 (33%)
7v7v7v7: 0 / 1 (0%)
8v8: 1 / 1 (100%)
12v12: 1 / 1 (100%)

He is not even trying to hide it. 35% in over 500 13 FFA...
1/13=0,0769=7,7%...
Even with 4 accounts in each lottery game one shouldn't have that high win rate.

Edited 3/15/2014 13:03:54
Stacking: 3/15/2014 13:22:11


Climber
Level 12
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Widzisz - Assuming that only 1 of the 13 other players gets booted that bring up the 7.7 * 4 to 7.7 * 5, which would get him to his 35% win rate. Also you could say that some of them are won by a bit of "skill" as he plays it so often he would find the best ways to play the game. I think that his 21 FFA is more impressive than his 13 FFA anyway, though the numbers are nearly the same.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 13:50:40


Timinator • apex 
Level 64
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Where is the "Skill" in a lottery-game?
Stacking: 3/15/2014 14:05:23


Master Potato
Level 59
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If by skill you mean making a crapton of alts and joining with them to ensure a higher possibility of a win then yes he has skill..
Stacking: 3/15/2014 14:14:22

Widzisz • apex 
Level 60
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Assuming that only 1 of the 13 other players gets booted that bring up the 7.7 * 4 to 8.3 * 4

Fixed. I guess your love is not mutual.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 15:13:02


Wenyun 
Level 59
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Assuming that only 1 of the 13 other players gets booted that bring up the 7.7 * 4 to 8.3 * 4

Except this is logically incorrect as 1) The player is still assigned a territory and 2) The player's territory doesn't matter unless it's the big bonus.

It would be slightly higher but barely notable.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 16:03:24

Doomsday 
Level 57
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hi all even though am a hi level player what are these ALTS PEOPLE are writing about
Stacking: 3/15/2014 16:26:16

Widzisz • apex 
Level 60
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If 1 account is booted:
1/13 this account have big bonus, and here each account have 1/12 (8,3%) chance to win.
12/13 someone else have a bonus, and here everyone have again 1/12 chance to win.

1/13*1/12+12/13*1/12 = 1*1/12 = 1/12.

Essentially it just change to 12 player FFA, each account have equal chance to win.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 16:59:53


Richard Sharpe 
Level 59
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Doomsday, 'alts' are alternate accounts. Since there is no cost to create an account, some desperate people with way too much time on their hands make multiple accounts and then use them to give their original account an advantage. Others do it so they can troll or harass people without impacting the reputation of their primary account.
Stacking: 3/15/2014 17:39:32


UnlimitedLawlz
Level 54
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And to add to Richard, other people make alts to fix their boot rate, or enter 2 clans at the same time.
Stacking: 3/30/2014 02:00:59

Widzisz • apex 
Level 60
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Completed 5208 ranked games (2664 / 5208)

1v1: 680 / 1170 (58%)
3 player FFA: 26 / 53 (49%)
4 player FFA: 220 / 805 (27%)
5 player FFA: 1139 / 1303 (87%)
6 player FFA: 38 / 140 (27%)
7 player FFA: 29 / 122 (24%)
8 player FFA: 8 / 32 (25%)
9 player FFA: 75 / 257 (29%)
10 player FFA: 21 / 43 (49%)
11 player FFA: 1 / 2 (50%)
12 player FFA: 17 / 70 (24%)
13 player FFA: 186 / 528 (35%)
14 player FFA: 8 / 9 (89%)
15 player FFA: 3 / 8 (38%)
16 player FFA: 17 / 24 (71%)
17 player FFA: 9 / 11 (82%)
18 player FFA: 3 / 6 (50%)
19 player FFA: 1 / 1 (100%)
20 player FFA: 8 / 33 (24%)
21 player FFA: 31 / 157 (20%)
22 player FFA: 1 / 3 (33%)
23 player FFA: 0 / 6 (0%)
24 player FFA: 0 / 1 (0%)
25 player FFA: 3 / 4 (75%)
26 player FFA: 6 / 74 (8%)
27 player FFA: 1 / 5 (20%)
28 player FFA: 1 / 3 (33%)
29 player FFA: 0 / 5 (0%)
30 player FFA: 1 / 5 (20%)
31 player FFA: 2 / 19 (11%)
32 player FFA: 2 / 34 (6%)
33 player FFA: 2 / 9 (22%)
34 player FFA: 1 / 2 (50%)
35 player FFA: 0 / 5 (0%)
36 player FFA: 4 / 35 (11%)
37 player FFA: 1 / 1 (100%)
38 player FFA: 0 / 1 (0%)
40 player FFA: 5 / 27 (19%)
2v2: 45 / 85 (53%)
2v2v2: 11 / 16 (69%)
3v3: 28 / 44 (64%)
3v3v3: 0 / 1 (0%)
4v4: 9 / 17 (53%)
5v5: 17 / 24 (71%)
6v6: 1 / 1 (100%)
7v7: 1 / 3 (33%)
7v7v7v7: 0 / 1 (0%)
8v8: 1 / 2 (50%)
12v12: 1 / 1 (100%)

Won 799 out of 799 5 player FFA in 2 weeks.
Stacking: 3/30/2014 02:59:47


Schmidt
Level 53
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How did he possibly do that??
Stacking: 3/30/2014 03:00:00


Iron Mike 
Level 64
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799 out of 799 in two weeks? How is that even possible?? Is he playing his own alts?
Stacking: 3/30/2014 06:30:50

Jehovah 
Level 58
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obviously 5 of his own accounts, and then went farming against his own accounts. Though it wouldn't have earned him a lot of points due to diminished points o.O
Stacking: 3/30/2014 08:11:45


Timinator • apex 
Level 64
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maybe he uses different alts for each game
Stacking: 3/30/2014 13:24:37


Darkpie 
Level 61
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He is playing alot of 21 player lottery games. If he for example has 5-6 alts in them the odds are fairly good that one of them will get the bonus.. and he won't get diminished points against the other 14-15 players then so even with many alts in play he can rack up a good pointscore
Stacking: 3/30/2014 14:26:23


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
Level 57
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If he has one alt in each 5FFA, he has a pretty good advantage and gets the full points for beating 3 players too.
Stacking: 3/30/2014 14:53:40


Pink 
Level 60
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what about mass blacklisting him?
Stacking: 3/30/2014 19:43:05


TWM
Level 55
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dude Mg's alts are all above level 53! like wtf!

either A he truly has no life and has played a cajillion lottery games over and over and over on many accounts... Like i can't even express how much time that would take to accomplish.

Or B What New Leaf said, he made some kinda program that makes the lottery games automatically while MG sits on his couch and eats popcorn.

If it is reason A then DAMN imagine taking 800 turns in 2 weeks, on 5 different counts. Thats 4,000 turns to take!

I'm going to mess around with Game ID's to see if i can find one of his 5 player ffas

In the mean time, damn reason A is unfathomable to imagine
Stacking: 3/30/2014 19:44:55


Master Potato
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^^
Stacking: 3/30/2014 19:45:10


TWM
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Stacking: 3/30/2014 19:49:08

E Masterpierround
Level 56
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there's a small chance that he has actual people who made warlight accounts to surrender to him... reeeeaaaaallly small chance but it's still possible. We should all blacklist him, create lottery games, then message him links to the lottery games that he cannot join because we all blacklisted him :)

Edited 3/30/2014 19:50:49
Stacking: 3/31/2014 03:08:12


Iron Mike 
Level 64
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Does anyone know if Fizzer is aware of all this?
Stacking: 3/31/2014 03:34:25

Jehovah 
Level 58
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who cares? if he wants to waste his time playing FFAs with himself just to top some list then let him. He's not a frequent name changer and there are no unlocks after lvl 52 anyway.
Stacking: 3/31/2014 03:47:21

6
Level 49
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3 of the accounts in these games are in the 1v1 ladder. If they are all indeed run by the same person, there is more than just the point list or name changes being obtained unfairly
Stacking: 3/31/2014 04:04:22


Master Turtle 
Level 61
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His 1v1 stats arent horrible i bet he is planning something for after his lvls top the charts for a while..... Fizzer needs to ban him and all of his alts
Stacking: 3/31/2014 05:29:07

Jehovah 
Level 58
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woah in those games if they are all his alts...

2356 + 2865 + 7768 + 3095 + 5387

= 21471

Thats a record, not even beelz has that many games! :O
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