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Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 02:22:40


Muppet
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Ever played more than 200 games before realizing that you misunderstood how one of the cards worked? No?

Ever figured it out yourself only AFTER creating a practice game, asking one of the best players on the site about it, and having him tell you something you already knew? No?

Maybe just me then. Grr.

(Frustration and mild embarrassment aside, I'm glad I asked, as now I know.)
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 02:56:18

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Was it order delay? That's a confusing one :P
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:08:43


Imagination 
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To be honest, I actually don't fully know how the order delay card works xD
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:08:45


Knoebber 
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or stacking OP maybe
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:14:06

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Once you play an order delay, ALL of your opponents following moves come before yours.

So if I make a move before I play an order delay, that move will not be affected by the card and will proceed normally. Then once I play the card, my opponent will finish his turn with all the moves in his queue and only after he's done all his moves, my moves will restart.

If 2 players play and order delay in the same turn, then it's basically like the card wasn't played at all, and then you resort back to order delaying moves in order to make your order go after your opponent's order. So it is beneficial to make random, order delaying moves AFTER you've played your order delay card, in case your opponent plays an order delay card in the same turn.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:44:07


Imagination 
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What about using two order delay cards? I played on game which I used two order delay cards, and I know for a fact that my opponent only had one order delay card. My opponent still had the last order.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:53:46


Perrin3088 
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bishes, not entirely true..
since order delay can be moved throughout the turn

In my mind, the best way to think about it is pushing it into a second combat phase in the turn..

normal games w/o OD go..

Phase 1: ABABABABABAB

games with OD activated go

Phase 1: ABABAB ODA BBBB
Phase 2: AAAA


It is true that it's important to save your stalling moves until after the OD card is played.. but you can adequately use an OP card to push an early attack in one location, while still delaying and getting the counter-attack in another location, in the same turn..

I made a poor example, since it didn't turn out the way I was expecting.. but it does show how OP and OD cards operate, just check the last turn

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2427598
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 03:56:46


Perrin3088 
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Imagination, I could of swore I tested that in one of my games... hmm
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 04:08:42


Perrin3088 
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http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2427633

OD cards do stack properly..
also note, that turn order alternates in some manner in each new *-phase-*
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 04:10:23

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Perrin, what you said was exactly what I said, which part of my post is not entirely true?
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 04:15:37


Perrin3088 
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I misread some of your message and it had confused me. I apologize
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 04:42:12


Imagination 
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So in other words, it's more likely that I was mistaken about him only having 1 order delay card instead of two than anything else?
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 05:12:23


Muppet
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It was indeed the Order Delay card. I had mistakenly always thought that it would delay ONE order in ONE round. Makes me wonder how many opportunities I've missed.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 06:19:48

DagenDaDragon (ReTIRED OF WARLIGHT) 
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lol. Muppet I realized that after around 400 games made it so much easier to delay stuff. :P
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 08:01:18


{rp} General Mac 
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took me a while to relize that too Muppet :D
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 15:25:59

Envaeronment
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Jep, only figured that one out after ~400 games as well. But I prefer playing games without cards so I didnt miss out on that much opportunities
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 15:40:44


Richard Sharpe 
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Imagination - If you know which game it was you should be able to check the log to see how many he played.

Also note that I believe Perrin had it wrong. The standard order of attack is in a snake fashion... ABBAABBAAB or ABCCBAABCCBA etc. with the players being randomly assigned one of those letters.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 16:34:25


x 
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order delay isnt that difficult to understand. its explained in a sentence on the cards window i think.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 16:57:33


Muppet
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True, X. It isn't terribly difficult to understand, which is all the more frustrating for not having been using it correctly.

I would say, however, that it is very easy to make incorrect assumptions about, especially considering that "Order Priority" only affects one order. I either misunderstood the first time I read it, or assumed incorrectly without reading it closely, but still find it amusing/annoying that it took me so long to notice. Others obviously have done the same.

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As a side note, factually stating that something "isn't that difficult to understand" might not be the best practice unless you are offering encouragement or showing someone a method of understanding. In a case like this, anyone who finds it easy will not need to be told, and anyone who doesn't will probably feel justifiably insulted.

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Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 17:58:04


Imagination 
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Unfortunately, I don't remember what game it was.

Perhaps I should just make my own practice game, like Perrin, using as many similar circumstances as I can recall...
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 20:12:44


Perrin3088 
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Richard, you're correct, Idk why I was thinking abab rather then abbaab.

Imagination, I regularly make single playergames to test things out, more before then I do now.. the main reason I created a second account was to be able to have links to show the results of my tests so they can be scrutinized.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 22:11:53


x 
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i was just surprised that the order delay card would be something that people didnt get. theres more difficult things in this game, like territory selection. i know now how that works, but its still going to be a little while before i understand it properly.
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 22:21:36

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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X, order delay is simple if you don't make assumptions based on how order priority works. For a long time, I thought order delay worked like order priority, that is, it was just like doing a single random order in your turn. Seeing as that's how the order priority works (it affects only a single order), isn't that a fair assumption to make?
Learned something new today: 3/23/2012 22:47:41


Perrin3088 
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I've heard people thinking that OP works like OD, but this thread is the first I have heard the reverse assumption..
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