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Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 07:32:41

Jehovah 
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that thread was a mess. Pulsey proposes...

-Creation of group D
-Game count remain the same. 4 1v1 tournies, 2 2v2 tournies, 1 3v3 tourney

Settings
- 1v1 Strat 16%
- 1v1 Strat 16%
- 1v1 Strat 0%
- 1v1 MME

- 2v2 Strat
- 2v2 Guiroma or Szeeuropa or whatever

- 3v3 EU

on the other thread i saw someone suggesting some stupidity like 2 3v3 tournies or some weirdo volcano map, meh.

also maybe reinstate JSA and kick miyagi, i liked that more. Apart from the lack of different templates, Season 4 by JSA was perfect.

Edited 3/7/2014 07:33:23
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 10:54:30


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its better with 6 1v1s, 3 2v2s, and 2 3v3s. that way a clan with many good players have an advantage on clans that have just a few. i mean a good clan should have atleast 6 good players to be concidered as a good clan. Also i have many players that want to play, so we should be able to give as many as possible a chance.

ps: dont be to hard on miyagi, he is doing his best.

edit: i just read last posts in the other thread, so i take back what i just said about miyagi.

Edited 3/7/2014 10:58:32
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 11:52:31


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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make groups A B C D and use wider variety of games, still sticking to classic templates proven to be strategic and well balanced:

5x 1v1 - 2pts each (10 total)
- strat 1v1 ME 16%wr
- strat 1v1 ME 0%wr
- strat 1v1 MME 0%wr
- strat turkey
- guiroma

3x 2v2 - 3pts each (9total)
- strat 2v2
- 2v2 szeuropa
- 2v2 qina (gui's china)

2x 3v3 - 4pts each (8 total)
- 3v3 Europe NC
- 3v3 Poland

more variety will reveal bigger picture.

bananashake - 6 out of 100 is nowhere near to 6 out of 15. Unfortunately unless a global ELO or trueSkill is applied, we cannot verify average skill of clans based on all of their members..
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 15:09:58


TheWarlightMaster 
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I agree with everything fridge said except for the Poland 3v3, I don't like that map much
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 15:13:59


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i think that all types (1v1, 2v2,3v3) should balance out... so 2 3v3's 3 2v2's and 6 1v1's... other than that i agree with what pulsey says
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 15:33:08


ChrisCMU 
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Agree with TWM. Not a fan of poland either.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 15:49:41


Taishō 
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Screw not being a fan of Poland, that map is great due to the strategic variety it brings into the clan league. Just because blitzing for cities isn't easy doesn't make the map less valuable. We're ranking skill, not playing a popularity contest.

Also, 6 1v1s 3 2v2s and 2 3v3s is waaaay too many games, talk about overkill. Why should the small/medium clans have to pay the price for other clans whoring around, recruiting every Bill, Dick and Jane on the site??


And I like Pulseys' and Fridges' template suggestions, in particular;

+1 2v2 Qina
+1 2v2 Szeeuropa
+1 3v3 Poland
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 15:58:55

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I wish I had three alts named Bill, Dick, and Jane to take offense at those harsh words by Hauptmann.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 16:04:55


Taishō 
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Give me the name of three of your alts and I can edit the post ;)
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 16:30:05

Qi 
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I only have one account now. Gnuff hacked all my alts and made them his alts. He has 163 alts now.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 16:45:19


ChrisCMU 
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I want more games, but we are not recruiting every Bill, Dick and Jane. In fact we have not even added a member since the last one started (Verzehrer had just joined before and opted to wait until this league).

But, none of us played in more than two tournaments anyway.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 16:46:53


ChrisCMU 
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And Gnuff is just going to come back and try for ranks 1-100 on the ladder all at once.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 17:31:06


Taishō 
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Chris, I wasn't aiming my recruiting comment towards WG, but Bananashake who said more games would provide an advantage for clans with more members.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 21:13:52

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I am tired of running things. I have no desire to lead this again. Gui at one time gave up [20] leadership role, and I understand why now. People will argue over everything, and you can't satisfy everybody's demands. It's almost better for each person to lead a season and then let a different well-known player try it. Miyagi is trying to make it better, I disagree with what he is changing it to, but he is in charge, and I will submit to his leadership.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 21:48:10


Ineffable 
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I agree with JSA and btw thanks for running the league for 4 seasons
I also think Miyagi is taking it in the wrong direction but that is only my opinion
Miyagi is in charge and should be allowed to make the changes he see fit
however he could make a small pool of templates and have the clan leaders vote on them
that might give a more accurate picture of which templates the majority wants to play
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 21:55:51


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Also props to JSA for running this league...I dont really see why it needs to change much at all. What is the reasoning behind the changes again?
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 22:00:49

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I actually didn't even put Miyagi in charge; I wanted it to be a 3-person panel of Apollo, ChrisCMU, and MIyagi; I think he stepped up to be the head leader though, and when someone is willing to do something, all power to him. I don't think Miyagi should be removed or anything though, he is leading how he sees fit; people will disagree with him, but if a lot do, he probably needs to rethink the settings.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/7/2014 23:03:35


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He has a chat thread with both of us and has had our input. I do not disagree with much of his moves, and i have stated such when i do, both here and in that chat.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/8/2014 04:09:36

Jehovah 
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18 positions to fill is definitely WAY too much. Think of clans like XCD. Even WG and WM will have some trouble. Decrease the 1v1 tournies, if any additional tournies should be made it should be team games, 4 1v1s is enough.

Edited 3/8/2014 04:09:49
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/8/2014 04:28:46


Master Miyagi • apex 
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XCD has flipping 11 people can you not complain for a second? If everyone took on one tournament and 7 people took 2 problem solved, now if you said it would be hard for Apex i would understand but for XCD your complaints are not even worth noting

Edit:
I'm changing the tournaments to what majority seems to want, but EVERYONE WANTS THEIR OWN WAY. If i do it your way Fridge will be angry, my way you're angry, your way Michael will complain middle Earth stinks and i agree, I'm doing what i think is best and then fixing it to the majority needs, when XCD makes league A you can vote on what you want until then i dont need all your complaining crap

Ineffable: If you want a specific template feel free to message me or whichever "Way" you want it to go

Jefferspin: Many people don't like all ME, that said a good amount do but there is so much for standard middle earth good to try something new for once

Once again I WILL NOT PUT 3v3 POLAND INTO THE CLAN LEAGUE NO AUTODISTRIBUTION

Hauptman: What do you care your clan is huge... and if each player plays 3-4 tournaments you only need 5 people total so it is not based of huge clans

Fridge: Our templates and such are almost the same give me a break gesh

Edited 3/8/2014 04:35:20
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/8/2014 09:22:20


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I think it is great you take the time and answering every person but unfortunately it is pointless
either you have a clear vision of how the season should go and if so implement it and if not
stop talking about it in the forums invite the clan leaders to a mail thread and talk about it there
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/8/2014 09:28:17


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As I mentioned in the other thread - seriously Pulsey did this *really* need to go into another thread? lol... - I think it's best to get clan reps from all season IV clans that plan to play season V and get them to vote on various things. This way there will be fewer arguments going forward.

Things to vote on: number of games, templates, number of players, number of games each player can play, size of groups, number of groups, etc.

I really like how the design is shaping up for season V. I just hope that "democratic ratification" can help us put our differences behind us so we can focus on a competitive season 5. :)
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/9/2014 06:21:36

Jehovah 
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i vote we kick miyagi and put someone else in charge.

That idea has one vote, which is one more than the idea of putting you in charge.
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/9/2014 06:24:15


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if you "kick" miyagi out, you are just discouraging ppl to host the tournament. It is a hard work and the one who host it needs to stand against many critizisms

we could get JSA or someone to help miyagi out, but no matter how, we need to recognize and thank for the heavy effort that miyagi has put it.

Edited 3/9/2014 06:25:59
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/9/2014 12:27:07

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Yep, don't be so hard on miyagi. The clan league is probably the toughest event on warlight to lead because of it's popularity and so many people feel strongly about it. It's very hard to just step in and take that over, especially for a somewhat unaccomplished player like miyagi. It will be rough, stick with it miyagi!!
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/9/2014 12:32:24


lawm 
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so Poland 3v3. Is that a yes or no?
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/10/2014 00:22:37


Master Miyagi • apex 
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Poland 3v3 is a no sorry Lawm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak4DYsbOMnX1dGlZejV6bFpMZjlhVHVfQkJIN3o5SFE#gid=0

Those templates are final. The clan arrangement yet is not but the templates are
Fifth clan league ideas by Pulsey: 3/10/2014 00:26:57


Taishō 
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I honestly think you should have changed one of the 3v3s, but otherwise it looks solid.
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