Wow. I was never complaining about this, I was only mentioning as an interesting game. I checked the settings and accepted the game. By all means, contine the "check settings" vs "don't check them" debate, but keep me out of it.

While agree that "hiding" a massive bonus increase (as if "hiding" were possible, since it is clearly listed in settings) might be considered cheating, in my opinion, this game was fine.

Richard, I did not say game title, I said game message... And one does not have to explain every changed bonus in the message, simply say "SOME BONUSES HAVE BEEN CHANGED!", that is enough to tell someone to go check the settings.

Perrin, you see an open game in RT and there's one slot left open. You really want to join, and from the looks of it, it seems like a standard game, you know you don't have time to check the settings, because someone would take your slot (yes, slots often go away this fast, but seeing as you're primarily a multi-day player, I don't expect you to know that), so you join the game, only to find out the settings were tampered with, and your fun was ruined.

A simple warning in the message of the game would keep everyone happy.

Personally Texas, I don't have problems with this particular game. I'm debating about the more general and obvious cheating that occurs when a single bonus is given hundreds of income.

I'm curious how you would know you really want to join before you know what type of game it is...

I picture this as some guy walking up to a group of people playing a random card game, laying down a pile of cash and saying "*okay, I'm in, what are we playing, and what're the rules?*" yeah.. you could lose your chance if you wait... but considering the wide variety of card games /*settings*/ there is a decent chance you didn't actually want to join anyways..

I'm not saying it's not nice or convenient to post appropiate settings in the message/title, or even that it's not underhanded *not* to.. but calling such a thing cheating is just plain foolish, Imho ofc'.

An option has been suggested before that would solve this problem pretty handily. Holding spots in a game while you check settings. You get one hold at a time, and the hold only lasts for 5 minutes. You cannot hold the same game more than once.

While on hold, nobody else can join, and the game does not start. You can either leave the lobby or join the game.

There is a small chance for abuse, but it's limited to a large number of people looking at your settings and deciding to leave the game. Unless a large number of people were doing this intentionally, the average wait time for a person checking settings would probably be closer to 30 seconds.

As to the specific argument going on, I'm curious if RT players bother to check boot settings, AI settings, multi-attack, etc? It seems that those settings are just as important, but harder to see at a glance. Is there a trust invovled in playing RT games that aren't present for MD games?

*I am not a RT player.

Perrin, there are standard settings to Europe 3v3 games... that is, no cards, unchanged bonuses etc. Although these are not defined anywhere as the norm, it's the unwritten rule that when these are out of whack, there should be a big disclaimer somewhere. Purposely not adding such a disclaimer is, in my opinion, dishonorable to the point of "cheating." Cheating's in quotes because it's not technically cheating, as defined by the general rules of the game. However, we all have our own definitions of what constitutes cheating, and for me, this is a major offence.

Also, just as a disclaimer, I'm not referring to the game mentioned in the OP. I believe that particular game needed a disclaimer, but the changes weren't significant enough to label it cheating, under my definition of cheating on warlight.