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Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 12:48:39


Booba
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Hello guys. I'm having an issue with a player and his friends in a FFA game, and multiple diplo games :

This player, we will name him player A: Starts multiple FFa or semi team game on some templates. Problem is that this player A, created RANKED ffa with some scenario, and he admitted that even before the game starts, he and his friends are playing that RANKED ffa as a team, whereas the principe of the ffa is that you're alone. You can make alliance, but, as to me, it is supposed to be circumstancial alliances, not alliances "no matter what".


This player A is pretty sure to win with his friends player B and C.

It looks like cheat to me, because others players that involved themselves in this ranked ffa didn't know that they would have to face a team against them. But I don't know it is just unfair, so you play like an asshole (in my opinion) but it is still good regarding to the rules of warlight, or if it is definitely against the rules of warlight.



Tell me what do you guys think, and if you have somewhere the "rules" of WL then link it :).



If you need more informations on the games we're talking about, I'd be glad to give it to you.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 13:00:04


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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Is it abusing the rules? I guess yes. Is it bad? hell yeah it is! Because it's basically down to creating an unfair game.. however, unfortunately unless Fizzer claims it's not allowed, it will be falling into the last non-rule.. thus making it fully legal.. :/

http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Rules

The Rules:
The following three rules are presented to all players the first time they click the multi-player tab:
- You shall be respectful to other players at all times.
- Racial slurs, personal attacks, excessive profanity, or any other offensive language will not be tolerated.
- You shall not operate more than one WarLight account in a way that gives you an advantage in a game, tournament or ladder.

It's also important to note that additional rules exist in the WarLight terms of service. These rules aren't displayed as prominently since they're common sense, but they still apply. Examples include, but are not limited to, impersonating other players, launching denial-of-service attacks, or using someone else's account without their permission.

Additionally, since WarLight displays ads, players must also abide by the rules imposed by the advertisers. The following is not allowed to be submitted or linked to:
- pornographic content or links to pornographic content
- erotic stories or descriptions of sexual acts
- sexual jokes
- erotic or sexual forums

The Non-Rules:
As mentioned above, players sometimes invent their own etiquette around how the game should be played. It's okay to do this, however, you should not expect that players will be warned or suspended when they break your etiquette. Instead, use your black list to avoid playing with the problem players.

- Booting: Booting isn't against the rules. If it were, the button simply wouldn't be there! In particular, some players feel that booting within a certain threshold of the boot timer should result in suspensions. Instead, it's recommended to set your boot timer to the duration that you'd first like to see players become bootable. For example, instead of setting the boot timer to 5 minutes and asking nobody click it until 7 minutes have passed, just set the boot timer to 7 minutes. You will save yourself a lot of hassle.

- Not taking their turn fast enough: WarLight can't force people to play, and you should not report players for not playing. If you find yourself waiting on other players longer than you'd like, please create or join games with lower boot times so you can boot them and continue your game.

- Colluding: Players working together is not against the rules, and you should not report players for doing so. To avoid collusion, play in 1 v 1 games where collusion is impossible, or in team games (since then the collusion is pre-arranged), or just play with friends you trust.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 13:00:49


Titron
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FFA does not forbid cooperation. Everyone can team up if wished. It's not against the rules, no "cheating", but i agree it's not great to face a team from beginning in a ffa. If you don't want to let happen this again, blacklist him and don't join his games.

Rules: http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Rules ;-)
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 13:11:19


Booba
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Titron I totally agree with you. We can team up, gang up and everything. But I just find it completely unfair to play ffa and be allied with player no matter what. Alliances are supposed to be circumstancials, or you play 3vs3 or stuff like that. In my opinion btw
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 13:23:11


Titron
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I agree with you, that it is unfair to gang up before a game, as i mentioned above, but i don't agree that alliances are supposed to be circumstantial. If you team up during a game, alliances can be an important strategical element in a game combined with you're tactical skills. In my opinion you have different challenges in 1v1 or 3v3, where the sides are fixed. Just play what you like.

Edited 2/23/2014 13:26:04
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/23/2014 14:34:06


Booba
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Thanks Fridge btw :)
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/28/2014 20:40:23


WarGod 
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I hope to hell i am Player A, and Not Player B or C, as I am the leader of those games you are talking about
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 2/28/2014 20:45:22


Richard Sharpe 
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Simple solution... all remaining players in FFA ally and defeat the trio. Then return to business as usual for an FFA.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/1/2014 18:04:03

Ryan
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here is the basic rule i follow if private messaging is not disabled you can make an alliance if it is disabled you shouldn't make an alliance
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/1/2014 23:21:16


Mr. Gentleman*SEAHAWKSWONSUPERBOWLXLVIII*
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Free For All by definition

" a competition, dispute, or fight open to all comers and usually with no rules"

That is essentially the risk of FFA the unstructured no rule aspect of it. I would not join a FFA expecting it to be fair. First you run the risk of simply being deployed around a bunch of people and 1 person not; immediately giving him/her a huge advantage. Secondly People can secretly form alliances via PM or publicly via chat. Unless the host specifically puts rules in the description preventing this there would be no reason not to. Further even if you some how manage to get an alliance whats to stop them from backstabbing you at the opportune moment?

Backstabbing while rude is a perfectly effective tactic to break up a nearby opponent.

Now is it dirty or underhanded to do what they are doing? sure

Is it against the rules? I would venture to say that is a huge grey area that fizzer likely would not make a judgement on.

So I would say it is just unfair. But in general FFA is just unfair.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/16/2014 13:59:28


Booba
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Warlord you and your friend Juggernaut are of course the fuckers that makes the FFA unfair.


Richard Shape what you're saying here is what should happen if humans were rationnal. But we all know that even in the real world humans arent always smart enough to understand that they have to ally to defeat the threat, so do not expect that in WL.


Ryan we're not talking about an alliance for only one game. We're talking about an alliance that is in everygame, and that is stronger than your team for example (Since I'm playing a game where those players asked to one of the member of their alliances to go against his team and to attack them)


Mr. Seahawks, I disagree with you. When you join a ranked FFA, you expect it to be fair and that only your skills (oral skills or tactical skills) make you win.

We're here facing players that creates ranked FFA, and that make them only win.
It is like farming to me.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/16/2014 20:21:28


Mr. Gentleman*SEAHAWKSWONSUPERBOWLXLVIII*
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No honestly I do not expect FFA's to be fair. In my experience they are generally not fair.

That being said I think its pretty underhanded what you describe. The perps should be FFA pariahs.

Is it against the rules though?

Perhaps I think you could make a good argument for it. Although I am not sure anything will be done about it. Only thing you can do is report it and see what happens.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/16/2014 20:55:01


Booba
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I don't really like to snitch, and I'm sure Fizzer has bigger problems than this. Warlight should start to have some moderation guys
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/17/2014 12:28:19


NecessaryEagle 
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Just blacklist them and forget about it? They're being assholes but not doing anything illegal, so there's no reason to spend any more energy than a blacklist on them.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/17/2014 14:01:51


Booba
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Of course I blasklisted them. But first of all to blacklist them doesnt stop the games i'm playing with them, and I find inappropriate to let others people being trapped. Just my opinion here.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/17/2014 15:26:08


Wicker Hamper
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Blacklisted. For caring about other people. Humans are selfish. Stop giving your race a bad name.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/17/2014 16:19:29


Mr. Gentleman*SEAHAWKSWONSUPERBOWLXLVIII*
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LoL wtf?!?!?!?!
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/17/2014 18:55:56


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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- You shall not operate more than one WarLight account in a way that gives you an advantage in a game, tournament or ladder.


Indirectly, Player A IS operating multiple accounts by manipulating how they act. This is a breach of the rules.
Rules of Warlight for FFA : Just unfair or cheat ?: 3/24/2014 21:11:05


Booba
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Yeah thank you Arun !
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