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Netherlands Map (1100-1250): 5/7/2018 14:14:52

[NL] Hendrik
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Hi everyone,

I'm making a new map of the medieval Netherlands (Mainly Netherlands and Belgium but also parts of Luxemburg, France and Germany). The northern part is already finished, I only need to finish the bigger southern part. If you want to help with naming or other, feel free to ask.

Here is a link:
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=69941
Netherlands Map (1100-1250): 5/7/2018 15:46:07


Belgian Gentleman 
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Netherlands


"Lower countries" *cough*
Netherlands Map (1100-1250): 5/7/2018 18:34:36


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ok ik weet niet of ik dit in nederlands of engels moet beantwoorden maar ik zal het in het engels doen om het gemakkelijk te maken

/// maar eerst nog dit: ik zou het enorm appreciëren mocht je de oude middelnederlandse namen gebruiken om de plaatsen te benoemen. Het zou zo perfect zijn en Diets klinckt ooc veel stoerder ///

so first of all, the name. "Netherlands". I know that was the name to indicate the area at the time, but trust me english speakers will confuse this with the temporary country. I'd suggest to rename the map to 'Lower Countries' instead.

Netherlands stronk <3 finally a historical map of the greatest european region that was there. Being an early hub of trade starting already in the early middle ages it dominated much of the trade inflow of the New World. It gave rise to wealth and lots of arts and masterpieces. Anyways the map looks really promising and I'm very eager in giving advice.

uh... I believe there's a duchy missing in case you didn't know: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graafschap_Kleef
(now in contemporary Germany, but it used to be part of the lower countries. The main language spoken at that time was Nederfrankisch, which if you payed attention to in Dutch class, is the language where Standard Dutch comes from)

So.... the first thing that I immediately noticed was "Zeeland" , which was in a weird feudal situation at this time (being desired by the rulers of Holland and Flanders) it was ruled by Flemish counts at this time, but let's say that this is gets me the most as a fleming:

This is a achronical mistake. Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is named like that because it was originally a part of Flanders annexed by Zeeland in the Dutch war of independence , but that's in a late century I guess. This is the 1100-1250's and it should belong to Flanders rightfully.

while Zeeland should look more like this:



You're not the first one to make the Zeeuws-Vlaanderen mistake though. Several mappers on youtube like EmperorTigerstar and Olliebye have both mapped it wrong, but truth is it's VLAAMS , or at least it was

so what should be changed? first of all zeeland can be geographically split into 2 parts. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland_bewesten_Schelde and https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland_beoosten_Schelde
those can be 2 bonusses for Zeeland. Zeeland beoosten Schelde belongs to Holland and Zeeland bewesten Schelde belonged as a fief to Flanders

update: ok I've looked up on the subject. turns out Zeeland is more complex than I thought it was. (for example Zeelanden beoosten Schelde was an integral part of Holland but it was also subject to the Flemish count as a fief???!!!!! ) It was a contest and constant struggle between Flanders and Holland that is so complex to depict on the map. I'm even beginning to doubt whether you should put Zeeland on the map or not. for more information read here:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strijd_tussen_Vlaanderen_en_Holland_om_Zeeland_bewesten_Schelde

Edited 5/7/2018 19:06:29
Netherlands Map (1100-1250): 5/8/2018 08:54:42

[NL] Hendrik
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Hi,

Thanks for your advice! I will use the old names for as far as possible. I will also change the name to 'Lower Countries'. That's actually the same as Netherlands but like you said, it's confusing. I will add the duchy Kleve and also the duchy of Bentheim because it was also a part of the Low Countries. About Zeeland, the map I use to make my map divided Zeeland in a Northern part (Holland) and a southern part (Flanders). I will keep it that way to make it simpler. Zeeuws-Vlaanderen will be named Axel to one of the bigger settlements.

Again, your advice is really helpful!
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