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location survey: 2/10/2012 00:45:49

not_spartacus 
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I was just testing out some software, and thought it might be fun to do a Warlight survey (as we all seem to want to know more about who uses Warlight) to find out where we all are.

so click on the link below to take part (it's only one question, putting a dot on a map)

[Location Survey](http://bit.ly/yl2iBJ)

...and spread the word so we can get enough dots to make it representative!
location survey: 2/10/2012 02:10:46

Armour
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Cool! I submitted my response, but now it's giving me a "data loading error".
location survey: 2/10/2012 05:35:37


DeмoZ 
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Same thing
location survey: 2/10/2012 09:19:39

Me, of Course 
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Same here too. It seems to do that when you zoom out too far.
location survey: 2/10/2012 11:45:28

Segrain
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It says something like "data line 10=boston, massachusetts, 1 // Input string was not in a correct format". I guess somebody just typed his address in a field where coordinates should go, and now map just can't find that place to put a key there. (Not related to zoom; if you zoom in too close, it just takes longer to place error message over every little square)
location survey: 2/10/2012 17:26:28


TRUMP 
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Map fail.
location survey: 2/10/2012 20:46:39


Moros 
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You should make a new one!
location survey: 2/10/2012 22:30:03

not_spartacus 
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I'm on it: complaining to the site admin! Hopefully it's just a quick fix for them. The map looked good until some guy from Boston screwed it up...
location survey: 2/11/2012 00:48:13

The Duke of Ben 
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Are you from Boston, not_spartacus?
location survey: 2/11/2012 01:11:21


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zing!
location survey: 2/11/2012 01:14:49


Richard Sharpe 
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Bunch of Massholes!
location survey: 2/11/2012 01:16:16

NZPhoenix (AHOL) 
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i hadn't looked again at this thread until now.

I own the mistake. Sorry.
location survey: 2/11/2012 01:20:32

RvW 
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|> Are you from Boston, not_spartacus?

The real question is, was the genius who broke it from *MIT*, Boston, Massachusetts? :p
location survey: 2/11/2012 01:21:55


Richard Sharpe 
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RvW, I think you mean MIT, *Cambridge* Massachusetts
location survey: 2/11/2012 08:43:16


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location survey: 2/11/2012 09:53:08


Matma Rex 
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Using some hardcore magic, I extracted the data, got rid of some more garbage entries (fun fact: 3 of 4 were from America), and plotted them on a map.

![](http://i.imgur.com/RnEZw.png)

The data is available here: http://www.surveymapper.com/datafarm.svc/265/457/data. I used Wikipedia template Location map+ for plotting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Location_map%2B

Entries I skipped:
* boston, massachusetts
* Waterford. MI USA
* Taipei, Taiwan
* california
location survey: 2/11/2012 10:06:50


Moros 
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That guy in Greenland lied, there are no cities on that place. Same for the one in Antarctica
location survey: 2/11/2012 10:35:26

not_spartacus 
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Quite an impressive spread, even with only a small number of entries. Looks like we need a Spanish version of Warlight though to get more people in warmer parts of the world?

Yeah, don't believe the greenland one! The other one is possible, pretty sure people live on South Georgia, but not sure about the littler islands to the South.
location survey: 2/11/2012 13:13:26


Matma Rex 
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For me it doesn't look that special - most people are from the USA, the UK or Australia (the site is in English, after all), and the rest are spread all around the world (or it might be jokesters like the Greenland guy). This is, as far as I'm aware, the usual distribution of visitors of English-language sites.

What is interesting is the concentrations in Poland (which I can explain: the site appeared on some popular Polish sites - particularly joemonster.org and wykop.pl - some time ago, and this caused a big influx; I also registered during that time) and in Benelux countries (which I hope Moros or RvW will explain ;) )
location survey: 2/11/2012 13:20:04


Matma Rex 
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Also, here's a similar topic from some time ago: http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=2586

Scroll down to see another "country-counter". Click it to see some pretty statistics - they mostly match the survey results.
location survey: 2/11/2012 19:16:52

RvW 
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It appears that on many of the "international" websites I frequent, Dutch and Scandinavians are highly over-represented. By the way, I'm saying "Dutch" and not "Benelux", since I rarely see Belgians and can't remember ever having seen anyone from Luxembourg. Granted, Luxembourg is small (half a million inhabitants), but not *that* much smaller than the Netherlands (close to seventeen million).

There are a few possible reasons (careful, this is speculation at best and by no means definitive fact!) I can think of. One is the high levels of internet connection penetration (well, that used to be the case; I wouldn't be surprised if many other countries have caught up / are catching up). Another is the generally high level of English skills, which both means we can use international sites *and* for many things we have to, because there are no Dutch sites. Notable exception are a Dutch/Belgian counterpart to Facebook (which survived Facebook's competition for quite a while, but at the moment it seems to finally be collapsing) and a computer/tech website which, based on active, knowledgeable users, completely outclasses any English-language techsites I know. (Funny thing: the prevalence of Internet connections and good English skills are both arguments which are also valid for Scandinavia.)

And, there is of course "sampling bias" (or, less politically correct, "Dutch are obnoxious, loud-mouth and always making their presence known" :p ). In other words, if there's equal numbers of Dutch and Belgian users on a site, you'll be seeing far more posts by the Dutch. Also, I think many Dutch people are very proud of their country and nationality and will gladly tell you they're Dutch (even when you didn't even ask :) ).
BTW, don't underestimate the cultural differences between the Dutch and the Belgians! While I'm aware (and can kinda understand why it would *seem* to make sense) many people expect the Netherlands and Belgium (and probably Luxembourg as well) to be virtually identical, that's not the case. Belgians for instance are *on average* much more modest / far less vocal-for-no-apparent-reason than the Dutch.
location survey: 2/11/2012 19:26:37


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do you have waffles in the netherlands?
location survey: 2/11/2012 19:39:44

RvW 
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[YES](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroopwafels)! I never go abroad without a few packs of these. (Why is the English-language Wiki article for a typical Dutch candy longer than the corresponding Dutch-language Wiki article...?)

In Belgium they also have [waffles](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle). Theirs are even more delicious (side note: their beer is better than our beer and their chocolate is better than our chocolate, luckily Belgium is just cycling-distance away for me :p ). If you follow that Wiki link, the waffles I would consider "typically Belgian" are the Brussels waffles (top image) and the Liège waffles (third image from the bottom).
location survey: 2/11/2012 20:33:46

not_spartacus 
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So are the flemish belgians more vocal than the french belgians, as they are kind of more dutch?
location survey: 2/11/2012 20:35:17

not_spartacus 
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(I prefer the flemish rabbit stew with beer as my typical belgian dish...mmmm...no waffles or chips thanks)
location survey: 2/11/2012 22:43:12


Moros 
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Yup, Belgium is in many ways split in two countries. It is a sort of USA with two states and an independent capital territory.
Flanders is much more related to their northern neigbour than Walloon. In fact, there is quite a large support for [Flanders and the Netherlands to (re)unite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Netherlands). Various polls showed a 60% support in the Netherlands, and somewhere between 12,5% and 51% in Flanders. Especially since the [2007–2011 Belgian political crisis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932011_Belgian_political_crisis), when Belgium had no government for 541 days (world record)!
location survey: 2/11/2012 23:35:30


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do belgians tease dutch people about how much more awesome their waffles are? because i would walk past a thousand miles of those stroopwafels to get to a gram of those brussels waffles, no offense.
location survey: 2/11/2012 23:37:45


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not that i would say no to a stroopwafel.
location survey: 2/11/2012 23:54:23


Moros 
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Not much teasing on the waffle/stroopwafel issue, but there is on one other point:
Dutch people make jokes about Belgians being stupid, and Belgians tease Dutch about being (Arg, what's that word? I couldn't find a proper translation, so here's what Google says about it: stingy, miserly, mean, avaricious, niggardly, tight, parsimonious, griping, sordid, grudging, niggard)

Here's a Dutch joke about Belgians:

Why will Belgium be at war with the Netherlands in a hundred years?
Because than they'll finally comprehend our jokes.
Why will Belgium be at war with France in a hundred years?
Because their army walked the wrong way.

And here's a Belgian joke about the Dutch:

How do you catch a Dutchman who's drinking?
Close the toilet lid.
location survey: 2/12/2012 00:15:50


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the word you are looking for is 'scottish'.
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