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The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 03:36:53


Gargamel 
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Greetings.

I wanted to run an idea I've been flirting with by the community of Warlight because many of you will be affected if I go through with it. I have roughly 660 grade-level students, all pre-puberty, that take my master-level Chess curriculum. They are some of the most advanced child-minds (or of any age) in the country... and I am thinking of inviting ALL of them into Warlight as part of their training. I already have them play Risk and Scrabble to keep them sharp.

I wanted to address a few concerns I have. Firstly, chat is not filtered here (nor should it be). Their average age is 8 and even though they have college-level IQ, some of us have language too 'colorful' for an army of kids. Sadly, there's always a safety risk involved when combining minors and the internet. I don't want to turn the place into a playpen without taking a poll first.

Secondly, I would be pouring several hundred players into the system using a series of clans that represent promotions/graduations (named after chess pieces). Do not be insulted, but I think because my stock of students regenerates every semester, they will take over a huge portion of Warlight. They also likely have friends that are not into chess but will find their way into this game. Are people okay with this degree of immigration?

Compromise: I could simply require them to defeat the single-player games and only the dedicated ones would enter MultiPlayer on their own. This minimizes the impact on the game.

Anyway, I'm only opening the topic to get some feedback on the whole idea. Please be constructive. Thanks for listening.

Cheers.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 03:44:46


<SNinja>gg
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you must be 13 to join warlight... so unfortunately that would not work. but it would be cool if you could
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 03:51:19

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I didn't see that 13 thing when I joined. Even if it were in place, people would lie. More players is ALWAYS better. they bring fresh blood. "Staleness in people's migration to a nation is akin to rigor mortis." Maybe if you're concerned about what they may be exposed to you should have them play only with certain players you know would be respectful? e.g. me! Or have them or they're parents sign a disclaimer that this IS the internet, and a war game to boot. Things are said.

I dunno. Just a few ideas.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 03:55:25


Gargamel 
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"" By signing up, you agree to the WarLight Terms of Service and are certifying that you are 13 years old or older ""

haha. I signed up far too long ago to remember that dislaimer, if was even there at the time. I wonder if it matters that they would be an organized / monitored surge of accounts.

Well, I think I have my answer there in the fine print. It was more of a curiosity than a plan anyway.

Thanks Ninja.

-G
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 03:56:53


<SNinja>gg
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well i joined before i was 13 because i did not see it and that flared on the forums... on warlight it does not really seem to be to tough on it but because of the laws and such it is illegal...
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:00:15


UnlimitedLawlz
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Whoa, that seems like a HUGE impact on the game. (if you don't follow the age limit)
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:00:54


Raja
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whatevs, lets talk about the REAL question. how in the mother of the Gods did you get five million points in just a month. and how are you only on 55 if you got that many. and when are you joining RAJA clan rofl
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:10:52


SkyLimit
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lol
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:13:25


Master Miyagi • apex 
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Fizzer I believe onnly added the 13+ disclaimer like <2 years ago, because i joined when i was 12 and i distinctly remember it not saying that
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:17:06


♆♆♆ RedBloodyKiller ♆♆♆
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he is a membre they earn twice then you from agame he would earn only 2 million if he is not membre
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:20:28

MEH!
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i am similar with miyagi but i totally think more is better and that the 13 under rule cant enforce much to a determined person
but you could as u said only single player or you could allow them multiplayer but only with people they know

Edited 2/14/2014 04:20:40
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 04:22:12


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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Considering the amount of interest you'd be pushing into Warlight, perhaps he would be willing to facilitate your program (disabling chat or adding filters) - You could try contacting him via email, as this post could easily be missed.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 05:16:39


ps 
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why don't you just create accounts and setup the games yourself, inviting them to play on a secure environment so they only play against themselves? on a realtime or round robin tournament for example. you can always talk with a few of the not so "colorful speaking" (or not speaking at all) veteran folks here and invite them to join if you want your kids to learn a bit faster getting their asses kicked.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 07:08:00


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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+1 to PS's idea..

As for somebody who said that more is always better - theoretically yes, but in real life - for the community it's better if there are less people, but of higher "quality".. We can see what happened when the site was flooded by lottery games all over the open_games menu.. From the new player's point of view - especially if he is that young, playing this game may be a great way to excersise the brain, however as you can clearly see, some people even when talking "not so colorful language" may seriously damage the kid's self confidence ie by simple insults and aggressive talk.. It may be even worse if they would have point in their arguments (based on a noobish play etc - kinds not necessarily have that distance to themselves and are way to vulnerable for authorital suggestions about themselves)IMHO The disclaimer of 13yo+ is there for a reason.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 12:51:17


Taishō 
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Firstly, chat is not filtered here (nor should it be). Their average age is 8 and even though they have college-level IQ, some of us have language too 'colorful' for an army of kids.


If you're worried about that, let me assure you, it won't stop. We have some great intellects and a larger number of trolls and few of them worry about their language; dropping colorful hyperbolas is half the fun.

Do not be insulted, but I think because my stock of students regenerates every semester, they will take over a huge portion of Warlight.


There's actually thousands of WarLight players, Fizzer knows exactly how many regular accounts play here, it's just the forums that are dominated by several dozen regular players. Maybe the minors should stay off the forums? Other than that if these kids really are that good then maybe we have some new competition for the ladder?
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 13:24:54


professor dead piggy 
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Gargamel you seem like a bit of a tool, but this game seriously needs some strong strategic minds to take competative play to the next level.

Please please get them to play some games.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 13:32:30


professor dead piggy 
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How do you plan to train them? if theyre chess players then they arent used to thinking creatively to solve problems, theyre used to memorising openings and understand pawn structure to win games. They read chess books and internalise the lessons in them and have totally internalised tactical motifs. WL isnt based on tactics like chess is.

You are a mediocre WL player and there is no "theory" for them to read up on. I suspect that they will play a handful of games, lose some of them, get mad when they dont understand why and noone can tell them and then ragequit.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 14:10:23

iNoob 
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You are a mediocre WL player

i suspect you are a mediocre chess player :P
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 14:11:04


Bananashake 
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challenge accepted ;)
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 14:51:27


Incaman
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Hahahahaha.....dead piggy.....you do realize that your comment was quite unnecessary, uncalled for, unwanted, rude, insensitive, unprovoked, unstained, nonconstructive, unsupported and may I just state in my personal opinion IDIOTIC (that is just the comment I do not mean in any way to imply that you are an idiot). Gargamel if the kids want to play warlight and if the site rules allow there's no need to ask permission in the forum, just go for it. But if the site rules do not permit, just mail Fizzer maybe you can come to some agreement.

Cheers :D
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 15:03:18


<SNinja>gg
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i am not sure fizzer wants the 13+ rule but there are laws that say if you have to give personal information out then you must be 13+... i don't know much about the law but it is something like that
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 15:23:09


master of desaster 
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Bring up the competiton gargamel! :) i feel like there are joining some excellent brains warlight in the next weeks ;)
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 15:36:35

Fizzer 
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I really wish the 13+ restriction didn't have to exist. However, I live in the US, and unfortunately the US has extremely strict regulations on this kind of thing.

In order to allow a child under 13 to legally make an account, WarLight would have to become certified by the government. I've heard this is an extremely difficult process, and can cost over $100,000 and has on-going regulations and complications. Unfortunately, it's really just not an option.

This is a very common problem for any websites made in the US. Even Google's GMail can't be legally used by minors. If you search, you'll find tons of stories of kids getting their GMail accounts permanently deleted just because they filled out a birthdate field. Example: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/V594OUj2pYM%5B1-25-false%5D

I can understand that the lawmakers feel like they're "protecting" the children, but the cost of getting a website certified for minors is so prohibitive that all they're doing is effectively cutting them off from the majority of the internet.

However, I believe it is okay for them to play single-player without making an account. Unfortunately that's the best that can be done.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 17:10:22


Bananashake 
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they dont have to use their real names. if so i have misunderstood, cause my name isnt bananashake in real. i promise, no kidding! so how will the government know that they are playing?
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 17:35:11


Pink 
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someoen may report the abuse and the site might be punished if it is proved that fizzer promoted it. if they join the site lying on their age fizzer may not eb accounted as responsible.
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 17:36:45


<SNinja>gg
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does not change the law :/
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 17:43:50


Pink 
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arent you demanding 2 much from us? as far as im cocnerned there would eb no laws as such, but am i able to brign it to presence?
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 18:33:33


Bananashake 
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if i understand right, the law is that if you have to give personal information to the site, its minimum 13 years old, right? but as far as i know, you dont have to give personal information to the game, do you?

Edited 2/14/2014 18:38:37
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 19:40:28

iNoob 
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e-mail, and you may end up by giving more in the chat. law says infants are stupid (which they actually are, but not necessarily in the way law assumes them to be)
The Next Generation ?: 2/14/2014 22:16:56


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Fizzer doesn't investigate every account. If you join while under 13, he won't know unless you shout your mouth off about it.
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