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Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/13/2017 19:24:15


[FCC] Aura Guardian 
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Hey,

I have noticed that there are some duplicate templates (probably near duplicates as well) showing up on Quickmatch.

For Example:





I don't feel this is beneficial for Quickmatch. Although not a big issue now, it will create clutter in the future, and potentially discourage players from voting, or suggesting new templates. (Too much clutter means your template idea may go unnoticed). There should probably be someone or some program to check and verify each template, and make sure that it is a meaningful contribution to quickmatch before it is submitted.

Thoughts?
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/13/2017 20:04:34


master of desaster 
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I think an unsuggesting option for the own template (if it has 0 votes) would help a lot.
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/13/2017 21:55:42


[REGL] Pooh 
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I think it is designed to be a hands-off approach in the design, with templates not receiving votes dropping off.
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/14/2017 13:21:03


wakanarai 
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Once you unlocked a template you will keep it always unlocked i feel like so no matter how many templates you have unlocked it will be very likely that later on after the fixed templates you will unlock a template a good amount of others might not have due to the fact it has been in the list for just a short time. This might even come so far taht a group pushes a new template each day and if someone wins a game with enough total wins to unlock the place that template is on then they just unlock it even when the day after it won't have any more votes.
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/14/2017 13:41:40


Krzysztof 
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Once you unlocked a template you will keep it always unlocked

that's not true i think. If template drop below 40th place you won't have it anymore (as you have access only to 40 max). As far as i remember that is what Fizzer said.
But in fact - templates with 0 votes should be removed, what's the point keeping them there if even person who submitted it is not voting for it? As well as duplicates, but not 'near duplicates'. Slight change can have big impact - like SR vs WR rounding mode. Just one setting out of many, but you rememeber the war about 1v1 ladder :P
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/14/2017 14:03:40


wakanarai 
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In the original blog post it said 30 but i remember keeping the georgia army cap /w bomb untill it got removed for having 0 votes after me mentioning it to Fizzer and that template was outside of the top 40 at that point as well that's why i thought you'd keep it as well so maybe some better explanation would be great from fizzer himself.
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/14/2017 15:39:12


The Endless Zero
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Interesting... so once you do unlock 40 templates, does that mean you only play on the top 40? Or, if you veto templates, is it the top 40 you have not vetoed?

Also, when I mean near duplicate, I mean those templates where changing the slightest setting makes the template play out identically. SR/WR is a big change that completely alters the strategy used.

Edited 12/14/2017 15:47:12
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/27/2017 04:27:56


[FCC] Aura Guardian 
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This was kind of one of my fears with duplicate templates:



I didn't even have to do two screenshots for this. This is on the same screenshot. Votes are being split evenly on two identical templates named differently. This should be one template with 11 votes, not 2 templates with 6 votes and 5 votes, respectively.

Edited 12/27/2017 04:28:21
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/27/2017 07:03:08


Master of the Dead 
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One of those templates(see Qb's vote) is on the newer version of the map(an extra island + greenland changes). It takes time to spread the word :p
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/27/2017 22:44:50


Beren • apex 
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But if you have unlocked the "wrong" one how does that fix anything? Even if everyone switches their votes, you'd unlock the "correct" one be have the one template taking up 2 of your unlocked template slots.

Edited 12/27/2017 22:45:12
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/28/2017 00:15:27


Master of the Dead 
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You wont use two of your unlocked slots if one of the duplicate templates slides down to a poor rank. It should allow you to unlock another template(based on the ranks for the day), the moment you win another game.
Quickmatch: Duplicate Templates: 12/28/2017 02:52:23


[FCC] Aura Guardian 
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However, it would be still true that said template would be unlocked. If your goal is to obsolete the old template, it may be in the best interest to be able to update old templates. That would help avoid countless games on the "old version" of the template. Of course, you can simply veto the template, however, I don't think everyone will do that.

I do not know whether an identical template will be checked by the program in place (maybe fizzer can enlighten us?) but, even if they are, there certainly are cases where nearly identical templates do show up.

Also, how will players know which template is the "correct" template to choose? Not everyone with votes check the forums, and I presume eventually most votes will be from non-forum goers. Which makes me speculate the possibility that duplicate templates will continue to pull down templates to lower ranks than they should be.
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