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Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 05:41:41


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Sam Harris. Hated by the right for being critical of Trump and hated by the left for speaking out about Islamic extremism. In other words, he's hated for being rational and not blindly following ideology.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSWqwZXth0I


Is the west committing suicide?

In this recording Sam Harris speaks with Douglas Murray about his book 'The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam'. It is a thought provoking conversation.

Edited 7/16/2017 06:40:23
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 05:54:56

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I love Sam Harris!

Yes the West is commiting suicide. However that is not the only problem here. Peafowlism is another huge issue. No successful society tolerates peafowlism for it is evolutionarily degenerate.

Edited 7/16/2017 05:55:37
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 06:38:45


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I do not love Sam Harris.

I recognize that he is a well spoken and intelligent fellow, and on some questions i agree with him.

As for what you call 'peafowlism' among the Muslim communities discussed by Harris and his guest it has little relevance. In the Rotherham scandal it is the case of Muslim men systematically raping white English children and underage women, and then exploiting them as prostitutes for profit, while maintaining the victims compliance with credible threats of violence. Not the same thing.

I am glad you enjoyed the talk. I thought it would be of interest.
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 08:04:25


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Sam Harris is a Zionist Jew
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 08:28:37


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^Does his race matter?
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:05:05


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I think Harris is an inspiring individual. A champion of independent thought. He is attempting to change the world through intelligent conversation. He is someone who will actually listen to, and think about, ideas proposed to him, which is more than one can say for most people.

The thing about the west, I feel, is that its habits are unsustainable. That includes many of the ideas that are put forward in society and culture.

I think what Murray was saying about how nobody wants to face up to harsh realities, in the west, is spot on. It's what I have found when trying to discuss anything even remotely controversial or 'deep'. People just don't want to hear it.

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Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:14:16

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^Even the best majority neurotypical groups on this planet have their taboo topics. Taboos cause people to be irrational and as a result the society is harmed.

The West is currently overrun by peafowls and peafowlism. It is also stagnant while the other high IQ race is relatively non-peafowlish and is anything but stagnant.

We need to wake the sleeping lion up before it is too late. However it will not fully wake up if its only concerns are SJWism, racial homogeneity, fundamentalism or traditionalism. There is also a STEM and a sociosexual dimension of this problem. If you have a peafowlish environment regardless of what the average IQ is where you started you will fall because peafowlism is dysgenic.

Edited 7/16/2017 15:20:31
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:22:16


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But when something is taboo, simply because the people do not want to bother themselves to think about something that they can do little about. It is the dispensation of their obligations, to other people and animals, etc. in favour of blissful ignorance and willing credulity. It saddens me.
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:26:43

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^The key issue with taboos is that it causes irrationality. Then people reach incorrect conclusions and make bad decisions.

For example I have to mention the problems of race and sexuality precisely because they are the most taboo topics in the West so that people can be more rational. The more taboo a topic is the more incorrect the majority opinion on it is likely to be and hence the more it needs to be discussed.

Edited 7/16/2017 15:27:42
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:29:31


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Yeah. I would add religion to that list. Islam specifically.
People are too afraid of the backlash, whether it be violence or mis-labelling
Sam Harris and Douglas Murray: 7/16/2017 15:32:26

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I agree. That's why we need to have objective discussions on all three of them every day.

I believe the issue of Islam will eventually be solved because Middle Easterners will eventually be tired of fanatics and their wars just like Europeans back then.

However the issue of race is pretty much unsolvable without transhumanism. The world has always been dominated by several groups, namely white Europeans, Middle Easterners, Northeast Asians and Indians. This collection is not a single race. However this clique has been running humanity for so many years and isn't about to give up its control any time soon. There exists cognitive/genetic components of this phenomenon which many people do not acknowledge.

India and multiracial Latin American countries are in essence racial oligarchies. Some dominant minorities in some countries are always dominant because they are objectively superior. There is a cognitive reason why whites rule and Northeast Asians are the only major group immune to this rule. SJWs can not acknowledge these facts.

Edited 7/16/2017 15:44:21
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