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[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 00:09:21

Qi 
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Vote at the [20] [Facebook page](http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1424156431#!/pages/Group-of-20/294756290554618)!

Facebook only allows for 10 contestants: Zibik21, Nuckluck, Impaller, HHH, Chump Interpellation, FBG Gaspumper, Yuanshuai, Fizzer, Denzyman, Zaeban.

I'm just pimpin' [20]'s page really. Personally, I think myhandisonfire, Saladin and a couple others are better than some people on the list provided. But I don't want it to be a list of too many of us from [20].
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 00:21:13

Qi 
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Even better, facebook lets you add whomever you want. The original list was erased for whatever reason.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 00:28:01


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you included yourself in your own top 10 list?
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 00:49:51

Qi 
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Yeah. (1) I'm a realist. (2) The best players are vane.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 00:54:37

Qi 
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basically: i added people (a) i think are the best (zibik) and (b) people at the top of both ladders (nuckluck) and (c) people who have been #1 in the ladders lately (everyone else). it is not who i really think are the best 10. just a simplistic list to pimp the group's facebook page. don't feel sad x, you'd make my real list of the best 200!
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 06:22:36

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Vain. Not vane. Unless you're just here to show us which way the wind blows.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 07:06:53


[WM] Dazed & Insane 
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Lol, sad top 10 list. Only Nuckluck, Impaller, Fizzer, and Zaeban belong there. Why does the dumb kid make a top 10 thread to make himself seem important? Make a big 1v1 double elim tournament with ladder settings and see who finishes top 10. Who cares who says who is best? Let the games decide.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 07:55:51


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Dazed, the question was not who is the best 1on1 player with ladder settings on the world map. The Impaller being on top for so long, should answer that question.

The question raised was, who is the best overall player. That means not one map with one setting, that means different maps, different settings.
1on1 on different maps (europe for example)
2on2s and 3on3s, ffa etc.
How can people adapt to it, when they are stripped of their experience on one certain map and setting.
If you want to find an answer to that, your 1on1 tournament with ladder settings wont suffice. Host a variety of different games and let them perform there.

I admit my top 10 list looks completely different from Yuanshuais too, as the lists of almost any other player will look different as well, cause there are definitely missing a few players. But the levity with which you removed names from the list , makes you look evenely clueless in my eyes (and of others) , as Yuanshuai looked hypertrophic in your eyes (and of others).
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 08:22:38

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lol. too many sensitive warriors and generals! makes me think you some are better suited for watching oprah with their grandmothers than fighting a goddamn war against men! real generals (in actual armies) are bad-ass men who cuss and spit and think they are the best (physically tougher and mentally more capable than the next guy).

@member of: thank you for spell-checking for me. i've always said "the battlefield is not complete without a spell-checker." you make war possible.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 08:33:48

Qi 
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@member of: please use your editing skills to delete "you" in "you some are better suited"
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 10:14:33

Qi 
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dazed, i like challenges. i invited you to two 1v1 RRs (one with the best, one with a lot of good players), a 2v2 (you/x vs me/myhand...this isn't exactly fair), and a 5v5 (all the guys you said aren't good enough to be in a top 10 list vs you & anyone you want...this is also not fair). i made the games. i'd like to see you prove yourself.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 12:01:59

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Sorry chief. One edit per person per day. I'll fix it tomorrow provided you don't screw up before that time.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 12:16:20


ixouaeouxi 
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Fizzer, Nuckluck, Duke, Troll, TeddyFSB, Waya, Heyheuhei, slejer, blueprecision, the impaller

A much better list
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 13:20:15

Heyheuhei 
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Really, only games can decide, who is best, not friends or countrymans, voting is too unfair
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 13:36:58


myhandisonfire 
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somehow heyheuhei sounded like he quoted shakespeare ...
the stage is set, let fate decide the victor
not friend nor countryman


@ixouaeouxi you dont even know half of the mentioned people ... just because they arent members

so basically heyheuhei is right ... voting is a popularity contest for most people.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 13:46:47

Qi 
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though, getting a little traffic to 20's facebook page is the only real goal here, as stated above
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 14:08:36

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as for who is best: games don't matter so much as who knows about the games. eg: player A is the best. nobody knows about him. player B is in reality only the 10th best. everybody knows about him but doesnt know much about the other 9. so player B is proclaimed the best, even if he always/usually loses to player A.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 16:35:34


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i dont think i would be in the top 200. and d&i wasnt saying he should have been in the top ten instead. youre the only one who cares about who is better at an online version of risk, so stop being so hostile.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 16:57:18


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If we're making a list of the best Warlight players, why not also make a list of the best map-builders? I'd nominate two people already: Fizzer, for not only being the player who made the most maps of them all, but also that all maps have perfect borders, and the incredibly hard Hopscotch map, which I think contains the hardest connections on any Warlight map. And Rashaz, for making three super-large maps, all with perfect borders, and, except for the USA map almost no missing connections. I've only found one in the Large Poland map so far, Powiat Bochenski - Powiat Proszowicki in Malopolskie. And, for USA Big, it has over 10.000 connections, so if he missed a hundred, it's still only 1%. The same goes for unnamed territories, I guess in the time he made that map, Warlight didn't tell you if you had unnamed territories on your map.
Who (dis)agrees?
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 21:46:48


[WM] retrospekcja_jeza 
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If you want to find out the best player u should make sth like that.

Select, lets say, '20' the best of the bests.
Make SOME robin tournaments (~5-10 or even more), sum up every rankings like in ski jumping or so. You will approximately get the level of participants.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/8/2011 21:51:48


[WM] retrospekcja_jeza 
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And comparing 1v1 games to team games is strongly unfair.

U can make the same thing with "the bests" 2v2, 3v3 (and so on) teams but certainly you cant point ONE PERSON who is the best overall player. Too much factors have influence on it
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/9/2011 01:28:04

Qi 
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create an ELO rating to adjust one's rating for every game played . anything less is mere conjecture.

if an ELO rating were implemented, i think guys who have not bothered to play a determined number of certain games should have their rating decreased automatically:

- less than 10 1v1s: -50 (for example)
- less than 10 2v2s: -50
- less than 10 3v3s: -50
- less than 10 FFAs: -20 per 3 FFA, 4 FFA, 5 FFA, 6 FFA
- less than 10 2v2v2s: -50

an overall ELO rating should determine the best overall player, not specialists: different types of games (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, FFAs, etc.) require different strategies, approaches. evaluating the totality of skills/strategies should be the goal.

an ELO would be good for another reason too: it'd separate guys who tend to play weak opponents to make their stats look good from guys who play the best on a regular basis but lose more frequently.

@ x: re-read my initial post. the primary goal of this thread is not what you think it is. this is why i am 'hostile' toward you: i don't like nitpickers who can't read a text to determine its main purpose. the women in my life (wife, co-workers, bosses, etc.) do that enough. i don't want to go to a war site and have grown men nag me too.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/9/2011 01:47:04


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those players have played a massive amount of lifetime games and are also well known. what about a player that joined a few months ago with under 300 games played?
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/9/2011 03:18:50


[WM] retrospekcja_jeza 
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Yuanshuai maybe it will work but only if in team games your teammates will be choosen randomly
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/9/2011 03:47:59

Qi 
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do you mean your idea? if so, yes, random teammates would be the best way. though that is still only an approximate way to settle it (eg, how can 20-40 such games tell more about you as a player than the 4500 you've already played?). too bad tournaments can't be made with random teammates and then seeing how each individual player does...

are you referring to an ELO rating for team games? if so, it's already being done on pogo.com (for cribbage and other card games): quality of teammates and quality of opponents determine what happens to your rating if you win/lose. beat a better team with lesser teammates: rating goes up more than if you beat a weaker team with stronger teammates. lose to a stronger team with weaker teammates and your rating changes less than if you lose to a weaker team when you have better teammates.

anyway, it all depends on fizzer, and he seems to prefer the auto game's map/settings: eg, his hopscotch map and quad-earth maps; the new ladder is that same template with minor changes to the settings; etc.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/9/2011 16:06:20

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I think statistically, i'm the best!
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/10/2011 09:08:32


[WM] Dazed & Insane 
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You act like a 5 year old that didn't get his icecream. Not like I'm the only one that said you didn't belong on the top 10, you asked people to vote so don't hate on people for responding to your idiotic thread in which you voted for yourself like a tool. Fail more, your tears warm my heart.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/10/2011 09:19:37


[WM] Dazed & Insane 
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And X is right, while I am pretty damn awesome on the ladder settings, I hate the map/settings and am not a top 10 warlight player for that template. I only play it b/c I like to climb ladders, though this gets boring very quick with only 1 boring template to play.

Once you get to the top 20-30, everyone is pretty much equal anyway.

I understand why you put yourself in your own top 10 list though, it's the same reason kids and lonely guys work so strongly on their Man2Hand relations, nobody else is going to do it after all.
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/10/2011 09:23:31

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D&I, why do you care so much? This is obviously bothering you quite a bit, and I'm finding it hard to come up with a reason. Yuan asked a simple question, and gave a simple answer, no one is forced to agree, and you've made it pretty obvious that you don't agree. Why do you continue posting?
[20] Who is the best overall WL player?: 12/10/2011 09:26:57


[WM] Dazed & Insane 
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Lol? He has been hating on me ever since my post making 2 tournaments, several games, and talking crap in each one. Like some screen shots? This is my first reply to all the hating coming my way from him.
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