If it ain´t underground, it ain´t hip-hop, Hip-hop by principle can´t be under any label-production

lol

ok whatever dude. give the music he used to make a name and i want him to go back to making that, not this new nonsense that isn't even music.

"it can't have any name by definition because to have a name it has to be underground, once it's on a label it doesn't deserve a name anymore"

lol

wannabe hipster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs


real music I listen to everyday. Have some class. Whimps.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8

@Wally Balls - I don´t get what you are saying. But as you said, whatever dude.

@Belgian Gentleman - Never heard of Tartini before, sounds great. Thanks for another source of masterpiece into my collection. Now I only need to find Lossless or Vinyl for this - probably not going to be as easy as in more popular pieces of classical works. Thus far Mahler and Tchaikovsky have been something I can´t get out of my head.

Lmao the hiphop traditionalists have turned against eachother in an effort to be more hipster and underground. Truth is, Kanye is the leading artist of this generation's music culture because he's so innovative, creative, and constantly pushing the hiphop genre's boundaries. Sure, he doesn't rap like Tech N9ne or some shit, but he has his own unique style.

@ Belgian

Truly wonderful music, thanks for the link

Am not sure if you are real or just sarcastic BUFFALO. Its true, that Kanye is one of the leading artist among today´s youth and voice of the generation. But I am not sure there is a limit to genre nor any boundaries can be pushed in that sense. Can you provide something what you mean he has pushed the boundaries?

Secondly underground and hipster are not in the same side of a spectre. Am not even sure that cultural researchers take hipsterism as a real movement or a word. It is more of a marketing hoax and disguised face of failure or sub-cultural belonging, thats more of mainstream style. Underground is something that grow without commercialism, non-advertised music, just shared stuff. Thats how hip-hop and rap was mainly born. Kanye, Dr.Dre and Eminem changed the game a lot - nothing wrong with that, just they reduces its naturalness and brought in the acting part. Not saying its not a music, but its not the traditional hip-hop and rap in everyday sense. Its something between it and popular-music. Only mainstream artists go against each other, just to get attention, more profit from sales and so on. You cant find traditional hip-hop or rap in your Youtube suggestion feed that easily. You got to dig in deeper.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Always fun to share one of the greatest masterpieces in the world @ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕ & @indibob
The music piece I personally use as background music has also an interesting backstory about the componist though

in 1713 Giuseppe Tartini dreamed he had made a pact with the devil for his soul. He saw the devil playing violin on the edge of his bed. For Tartini it was so great that it was an astonishment for him hearing a sonata so wonderful and beautiful, played with such a great art and intelligence as he had never even conceived in his boldest flights of fantasy. When Tartini awoke, he immediately grasped his violin in order to retain, in part at least, the impression of his dream. But, the difference between the two was so big that he would have destroyed his instrument and would have said farewell to music forever if it had been possible for him to ever relisten to the real sonata again.

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@Belgian Gentleman The backstory is interesting and reminded me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsB_cGdgPTo
"A blues singer, who supposedly sold his sold to Devil somewhere in the Mississippi Crossroad".

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To my amazement, how does it come that you know so much about the music industry in depth ?

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To your disappointment I have no musical education nor I can´t play any instrument. But around 7-8 years ago I had a vision, that there exists true music hidden under layer of mainstream crap and I was blessed with the knowledge I found.

Actually I have no idea how that happened, but gradually from listening what everyday teenager listened my curiosity in taste yearned for something more meaningful in depth. Instead developing a taste in a genre, something went really wrong in the process (actually it was what should happen to everyone) I started listening everything... and literally from metal to classical music with rap and soul in the middle, instrumental and psychedelic trance on top of it. And up to now I can not determine what style or genre a song or an artist is quite often, neither it does´nt matter to me much. Vaguely I can determine a direction. One aspect of music is its quality and from what system you listen it: I researched once into music recording and technical aspect and decent mid-priced amp and headphones made my experience listening music a whole new experience.

Sometimes I listen classical music, sometimes its just instrumental, but sometimes I need a beat or a bit of bass. And they all help to study - it all matters how I feel what helps me concentrate most. And alongside I have gathered music from all ages and all genres. Just to mention few pearls among instrumental music: Ludovico Einaudi, Mike Oldfield. This list would be endless to post all the good stuff. And after all a matter of taste is always subjective. But meanwhile listening I often investigate how they come to do that music, where it got popular who influenced them and the trajectory is interesting. Same system works for me in Movies and Literature and patterns emerge often and that is interesting part, that my brain like to detect and member them.

By the way the song Hurt (Johnny Cash), posted above is not actually Cash´s writing as often thought. Even lyrics are changed a little. It was put on paper by Trent Reznor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQ_ANFOo1M), who by the way is real figure and innovative musician in industrial-rock-syntepop genre, he was blown away by the Cash version.

When we come back to noise music, then Kraftwerk was/is something, that made a noise music, that but the start into "weird instrument" cult that is common nowadays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

But after all I am just a dilettante in a field of music. And there is no better way to end this with a something equally amazing as you posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8 (Last minute and half are the key here). I will leave the story behind this piece for you to discover if interested: Who would be mad enough to use Drilled army, cannons, artillery in his composition?

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Kanye is the leading artist of this generation's music culture because he's so innovative, creative, and constantly pushing the hiphop genre's boundaries.

I agree. And when that results in stuff like this, awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsO6ZnUZI0g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb4VyF7WubE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwMX6T5Jhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnedDvXYr8A

But when he trolls the music industry and his own fans with 16 tracks of random nonsense and 4 half finished songs and people still suck his dick and call it groundbreaking art because he is the one who made it, I have to draw the line.

Dear Kanye, please make hiphop again. Or at least music.

I am not sure there is a limit to genre nor any boundaries can be pushed in that sense

Kanye absolutely pushes boundaries. He invented sampling techno in mainstream music. Not just hiphop but everything mainstream. Stronger was the first song to ever do that, now it's common. We have stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOkQ4T5WO9E

At that time techno was not big like it is now, one could even argue he's responsible for it's resurgence. At the very least, he played a big role. People started hearing it sampled into all these mainstream songs and then sought it out on it's own.

Am not even sure that cultural researchers take hipsterism as a real movement or a word. It is more of a marketing hoax and disguised face of failure or sub-cultural belonging

hipster is a slang term used as a pejorative to describe people like you are pretending to be. whether you think it's an actual word is not relevant, all that matters is what i mean when i call you a wannabe hipster. you don't get to tell me what i mean.

and yes, hipster and underground are closely related in that hipsters will be the ones claiming underground is the only real thing and anything on a label is shit or doesn't exist or whatever nonsense you were chirping about.

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@ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕

I am not sure there is a limit to genre nor any boundaries can be pushed in that sense

Listen to Yeezus and show me a hiphop artist that sounded like that before 2013. You might say Death Grips but their shit is actual noise and not music. Yeezus doesn't actually sound anything like Death Grips.

@Wally Balls,

I think the real issue you take up with Kanye's new music is the lyricism. I admit, he isn't lyrically at the same level, but he's more than just a rapper. You have to know that to understand his music. Watch this video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJyhKEZ8QU

But, in the end, it's all opinion. I'm fine with you not liking his new stuff, but it's crazy to say it isn't music or hiphop.

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real music I listen to everyday. Have some class. Whimps.

Never heard of Tartini before, sounds great. Thanks for another source of masterpiece into my collection. Now I only need to find Lossless or Vinyl for this - probably not going to be as easy as in more popular pieces of classical works. Thus far Mahler and Tchaikovsky have been something I can´t get out of my head.

you sound so pretentious in this talk; I like old European songs, too, but I'm not going to say that I'm more classful for my tastes or that those did are much better than what does today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwXqdDrmGlA

And I kill 'cause I'm hungry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22l1sf5JZD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkozMIXZ8w