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2v2 Ladder Records: 12/17/2013 12:24:17


[WM] Gnuffone 
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http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=6814 I take gui's post and update it ;)
Records of 2v2 ladder players who have reached first place at least twice (plus gnuff):

gnuff    [63-17] 78,75%: +self          (7-3) +sze     (2: 13-8)  +oldsurehand   (3: 12-3)    +frank (2: 17-3) +beelz (1: 14-0)

unknown  [81-27] 75,00%: +qi        (1: 29-7) +mike    (1: 46-20) +odin              (6-0)
  
frank    [81-28] 74,31%: +luxis     (1: 13-4) +oliebol (1: 25-10) +gnuff         (2: 17-3)    +noob (23-11)    +jsa (3-0) 

hhh      [94-23] 80,34%: +mc        (1: 23-6) +samurai (1: 13-4)  +qi                (4-2)    +dunga (1: 36-9) +zibik (15-2)  

gui      [95-24] 79,83%: +denzyman (1: 25-10) +hhh         (4-2)  +unknown       (1: 29-7)    +noob (9-2)      +beelz (1: 13-2)  +tigger (15-1) 

beelzebub[37-6]  86,04%: +iggy          (1-1) +qi       (1: 13-2) +oavatoc       (1: 9-3)     +gnuff (1: 14-0)   

dunga    [52-13] 80,00%: +hhh       (1: 36-9) +grona    (1: 16-4)    

oliebol  [56-26] 68,29%: +zaeban   (1: 19-12) +veelvraat    (4-3) +frank         (1: 25-10)   +kingu (7-1)  
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/17/2013 12:26:17

Jehovah 
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yes,yes, well done gnuff.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/17/2013 17:04:47


his balls. 
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There are few players on this site who cannot stop the shameless self promotion. To some this may seem narcissistic.

Edited 12/17/2013 17:21:14
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/17/2013 23:07:26


TheWarlightMaster 
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Well its gnuffone, this doesn't surprize me XD
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 11:14:13


Krzysztof 
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I can't see any self promotion here, self-criticism rather.

Notice his winratio:
100% with beel
80% with surehand
85% with frank
70% win with his alt
61% with sze

such low winratio when playing with his alt(comparing to games with beelzebub, surehand and frank) is irrefutable proof, that he can't play on his own and do good only when puppeted by more experienced and better player. I'm sure that this is exactly what he tries to tell us, therefore any accusation of narcism made against gnuffone are completly false.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 11:47:05


[WM] Gnuffone 
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the main problem of 2v2 lader template is that is boring, and you have to think for move.
If i play with a real teammate i speak about move and take some min speaking, when i play with myself i commit in 1 min. Result: look my games against lawm xD i waste an huge ahead.
I don't post this for self promotion, i just want update gui's post.

Edited 12/18/2013 11:58:02
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 12:07:26


ps 
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i keep telling you playing with yourself is bad but you won't listen to me. :(
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 12:19:28


[WM] Gnuffone 
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if you wish to find 2 teamamte and fight me (with alt) at best of 7 in eu 3v3, i will show you if is bad or it isn't.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 14:59:58


professor dead piggy 
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Anyone who thinks you have a 100% win rate with beel is being willfully ignorant of your loss to longhouse. You didnt even make the cut for #1 so why dont you quiet down?

Edited 12/18/2013 15:10:02
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 15:09:34


[WM] Gnuffone 
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.

Edited 12/18/2013 15:16:26
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 15:11:34


professor dead piggy 
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I'm not delaying our match.

Edited 12/18/2013 15:15:03
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 15:16:01


[WM] Gnuffone 
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well you play as a team, so it's you too.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 15:38:38


professor dead piggy 
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Haha you deleted your last comment where you accused me of delaying, but insist that i am delaying because my ex-teammate is.

I think Gui is just working lots over xmas.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 16:03:36


ChrisCMU 
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I think you guys need to take on a good challenge and try and get #1 without another elite player. Obviously the skill of those people is impressive, but it is like a group of a dozen people that all just hold the top spot with each other in different combinations.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 16:18:35


ps 
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Gnuffone:

The question is not how many times you would beat someone else playing by yourself but how many times you would beat someone else, in the same conditions, while playing with team mates who would present to you different points of view on how your team should play.

It's not hard to calculate the obvious advantage, think of just one mistake you have done on one match, if your team mate would have spotted it you would have corrected it in time, while everything else would be the same since your eyes were on the game same as when playing with yourself. Even if you were the best player on warlight and completely unbeatable, getting input from others could still help you figure out a better strategy.

Ofcourse dealing with sucky team mates (having to watch them make mistakes that you have clearly warned them about) can be frustrating. I can relate to that, but, if you play with reasonable team mates, the benefits are clear, and i don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to get reasonable team mates with your reputation.

So yeah, i think you're being silly stubborn on that stance of yours.

Edited 12/18/2013 16:23:48
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 16:43:17


[WM] Gnuffone 
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ps:
i will try to be more clear possible.
Even if you were the best player on warlight and completely unbeatable, getting input from others could still help you figure out a better strategy.

i don't agree. One of best point of play with alts, is that you just play and shutup with team, you don't have to say "this is better", "gnuff why 1st move", you can just focus on game and chat only in public chat, usual about thing not related at WL
if you play with reasonable team mates, the benefits are clear, and i don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to get reasonable team mates with your reputation.

i don't have any problem on take good teammate.
no, benefits usually are not clear.
So yeah, i think you're being silly stubborn on that stance of yours.

how can i convince you is an ahead play with alts?
i would try a thing like "impaller vs the world", could be funny.
@Fizzer, if you read here, let me know if is possible do a similar thing, but in 3v3.
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/18/2013 21:04:33


ps 
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Such a game would prove nothing.

But if your only problem is not wanting to discuss strategies then you're just being anti-social and i don't see why you wouldn't prefer to play 1vs1 instead, less alt-tab'ing involved.

Unless you're reminiscing on the #Elite! days of old, looking for easier wins against people who can't coordinate within boot time to pump up your 2vs2 and 3vs3 stats. Which again, makes little sense, what will that prove? That you're a hard opponent to beat? Everyone already knows that.

You're being silly i tell yah!
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/19/2013 09:20:54


Kenraali 
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Are u allowed to play with alt on 2v2 ladders? What´s the point? Shouldn´t 2v2 ladders measure your teamplay skills?
2v2 Ladder Records: 12/19/2013 11:16:26

Jehovah 
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the 2v2 ladder measures how good you are at the 2v2 strategic template.
2v2 Ladder Records: 1/13/2014 18:51:18


ChrisCMU 
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Nice job stalling that game over 20 turns to hold #1...
2v2 Ladder Records: 1/13/2014 22:29:26

Dom365 
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Which game? :P
2v2 Ladder Records: 1/14/2014 04:50:21


ChrisCMU 
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Against Mirror and Ineffable. I did not check the other game but it ended about the same time so that suggests a stall since they left the ladder the same day.
2v2 Ladder Records: 1/14/2014 17:46:31


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Oh, I thought you were mentioning the game against Brisk and Dreuj.
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