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2 Maps I made: 10/30/2011 10:06:23


Moros 
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Just made my first 2 maps, both are still pending but I thought I'd show it to you already and post the link as soon as they're available.
Btw how do you show svg files on the forum? I can't simply upload it to tinypic or imageshack
2 Maps I made: 10/30/2011 13:53:24


Moros 
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The first made it online, it's a small Europe map to play with 2-3 players. Hope you like it!
[Link text](http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?DesignMapID=2435)
2 Maps I made: 10/30/2011 15:46:38

Grzechooo 
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About the Small Europe:
- Bonus name should be "Arab Regions", not "Arabian Regions".
- Montenegro is misspelled ("Montrenego")
- Lebanon is misspelled ("Libanon")
- Missing connection between Ukraine and Russia
2 Maps I made: 10/30/2011 20:57:19


Domenico
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I found some more mistakes:

- Slovakia is not in any region bonus. It should probably be in Central Europe.
- The Baltic States are often seen as a region very different from Central Europe.
- Luxembourg is mistakenly excluded from the EU.

Also, there is no Kosovo territory. I know that not all nations have recognised Kosovo, and if you happen to be a Serb, I certainly won't force you to include Kosovo, but it is a remarkable hiatus.
Whether you do or don't include Kosovo, I'd advise to split up the Balkan into two regions. Probably it would look like this:

1. Adriatic Coast (5 territories -> Slv., Cro., BoH., Mon., Alb..)
2. Eastern Balkans (5/6 territories -> Hun., Rom., Srb., Mac., Blg.. (Ksv.?))

Apart from all that, it's a really good map. Look at the bright side: *it might only get better!*
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 13:31:36

Phil 
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I just looked at Small Europe
-Missing connection between Ukraine and Poland
-Central Europe should really be called Eastern Europe
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 15:13:42


Domenico
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Well, Poland, Slovakia, and Czechia are Central Europe, but the Baltic States make up a seperate region, and, if anything belongs the Russian Territories, it's Belarus, rather than Moldova.
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 15:20:45


Urfang
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Central Europe should be the V4 group (Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary), Hungary is not a balkanian state.
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 15:32:10


Domenico
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Yeah, I was doubting that as well. I'm not sure if Romania is even a Balkan state.
I do know that they don't *want* to be considered a Balkan State.
Since you seem to be Magyar, Urfang, perhaps you know more about the division of states in Eastern Europe.

What an interesting geo-political discussion are we having. :)
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 17:16:08


Urfang
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Yeah, magyars and romanians dont like too if they are considered as balkanians, because this word has a pejorative tone here.

But this is not just a subjective identity question, the Balkan is a concrete geological region, and the Balkan Peninsula not contain nor Hungary either Romania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 17:54:27


Moros 
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In other maps with less detail countries are also covering larger areas than they should. For instance, in the small earth map European Russia is called Ukraine, and more of those inaccuracies are found on almost all maps. I did it without Kosovo because not all countries recognize it as a country. Quote from Wikipedia:

|> As of 11 October 2011, the Republic of Kosovo has received 87 diplomatic
|> recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 85 out of 193 (44%) United Nations
|> member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) |> NATO member states, and 27 out of 57 (47%) member states of the Organisation of
|> Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have recognised Kosovo. Serbia refuses to recognise it.
As soon as more than half of the countries of the world recognize it, I'll add it.

And I know of the missing connections between Ukraine-Poland, Ukraine-Russia and Italy-Austria, but I can't seem to edit them. When I try to edit the mode to development, it shows this error:


ChangeSelectedVersionStateBtn::system.Exception Error (0): Exception: Error: 3 not found
at shared\Utility.as:SetDropDownList()
at mapDesign\ChangeState_.as:Create()
at mapDesign\FamilyRoot_.as:ChangeSelectedVersionStateClicked()
at shared\ErrorHelper.as:Try()
(sp=3)

And about the misspelled country names, I'm Dutch myself, so I simply looked up the Wikipedia of those countries and then clicked to the English page to see what it's called. Because I didn't think Google translate would do it (after all it appears it did) and because it was time-consuming I decided to just keep Libanon Libanon, and hope it'd be correct in English too.

About Slovakia, I added it to Balkan states but somehow it doesn't appear in the game as it does in the editor. Luxembourg not being in the EU, that was simply dumb of me to forget to add it.

Arabian regions/Arab regions, I think you can say both.

Central Europe/Eastern Europe, I just needed names and because it was rather in the center of the map I just called it Central. About Baltic states, I added them to Central Europe because otherwise you'd have 2 small bonuses, and I wanted a big one. But it's a good idea to change the bonuses, I think I'm going to call Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Moldova to Central/Eastern Europe, and the rest to Balkan. Rather not Adriatic coast, since Serbia and Macedonia don't have any coast. As soon as the editor is fixed I'll change that.

I believe I've now answered all questions. Any more?
2 Maps I made: 10/31/2011 19:27:17


Domenico
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@ Urfang -> Hm, seeing the Wiki Article we could rename the bonus the SPSEE and include Moldova. I suppose the Hungo-Romanian attitude isn't unique. Estonia prefers to be associated with Finland rather than Latvia and Lithuania. Czechs and Poles hate to be called Eastern Europeans... People always hate their neighbours.

@ Moros -> Ah man, I should have recognised your "accent", being Dutch myself. *Dumb*, for example, is typical for Dutch English. Just like *find something nice*. Anyhow, nice Dutch Design. :)
Perhaps you should ask Fizzer what the problem is.
2 Maps I made: 11/1/2011 12:08:00


Urfang
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@Domenico
I think its not hate towards their neighbours, just the eastern european small nations have some minority complex and they afraid that the world do not see their unique national attributes, just considered them as eastern-european or balkanian nations. Of course everybody want to become better than his neighbours, but its just a friendly and healthy competition.

But i dont know that is it the subject of this topic, and i dont want to disturb nobody into the map making with this intermezzo.
2 Maps I made: 11/2/2011 18:42:36


Moros 
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Here's the new one!
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?DesignMapID=2435
I decided not to make Baltic state a bonus, that'd make Eastern Europe less powerful.
And I canceled the connection between Ireland and Iceland, and added one between Norway and Great Britain to make it look more like the big one.
Any more suggestions?
2 Maps I made: 11/2/2011 20:08:45


Domenico
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Albania in Former Yuogslavia? I hope no Albanian is ever going to see that. Don't get me wrong: I made the same mistake once, too, and I know you've already put a lot of effort into it, but you should really rename that bonus, to Balkans perhaps.

And while you're at it, for Slovenia and the Eastern Europe countries, de-select and re-select the EU Bonus. This way, the borders take on the colour of their regional bonus rather than that of the meta-bonus.

Just so you understand, in Dutch:

*Voor Slovenië en de Oost-Europese landen moet je uit de lijst met bonussen linksonder de EU-bonus eerst wegvinken en dan weer terug aanvinken. Dan nemen ze de kleur aan van hun regiobonus (groen voor Oost-Europa, roze voor Slovenië) in plaats van het blauw voor de koepelbonus.*
2 Maps I made: 11/2/2011 20:11:57


Moros 
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Bedankt Domenico :)
2 Maps I made: 11/2/2011 20:18:15


Moros 
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Oh and I speak plenty of English, no need to make me look like a fool :(
2 Maps I made: 11/2/2011 21:07:57


Domenico
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Oh, sorry if you thought I was making you look like a fool. Personally, I thought my English instructions were a little vague, so, just to be certain that my message had come across, I repeated (and eleborated) in Dutch.
I don't think Dutch looks foolish at all. Again, sorry if you felt stupid.
2 Maps I made: 11/3/2011 21:47:49


Moros 
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Okay, the version with Albania outside of Yugoslavia is now online!
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?DesignMapID=2435
Phew! I hope no Albanians saw that...
2 Maps I made: 11/3/2011 23:48:24

RvW 
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Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but when I click your link, Warlight tells me "That map ID does not exist or does not belong to you."...?
2 Maps I made: 11/4/2011 16:30:40


Moros 
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weird, I just copied the link that was given to me in the e-mail that my map was published...
2 Maps I made: 11/4/2011 17:12:11


Matma Rex 
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You'll need to use the link from All maps screen ([here](http://warlight.net/Maps.aspx)).

Correct link for this map is http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=5812
2 Maps I made: 11/4/2011 17:13:30

Fizzer 
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You posted the link to modify the map. Only you can modify it since you made it.
2 Maps I made: 11/5/2011 09:04:17


Moros 
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Ooh, I tought that link linked to map map, because it said that in the e-mail. But thanks for the link.
2 Maps I made: 11/5/2011 23:37:47

RvW 
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That new link does work, thank you!

Is the "curveless universe" from the description a reference to the projection you've used? It sounds kinda weird...

And my real feedback:

Would it be possible to think up some way of indicating more clearly that Kaliningrad is a part of Russia? I think very few people will have trouble with, for instance, recognizing Sicily and Sardinia as parts of Italy, but I could see people (especially in the first few rounds, when most territories are still grey) be very surprised to see Poland is bordered by Russia. (The same goes for Azerbaijan by the way.)
To be honest, personally I wouldn't know how to do that, but if you have an idea, I think it would be a nice improvement.

I would have separated the Turkish part of Cyprus (then again, I just checked Wikipedia, and that's only recognized by Turkey; following your reasoning for not including Kosovo, not including Turkish Cyprus is actually very consistent). Either way, it doesn't matter for game play I think.

Regarding Kosovo, I think there's a case to be made for thinking about game play, as well as the real world; if the map plays better with Kosovo, I think that should trump the fact that it's (currently) recognized by fewer than 50% of the UN.

Speaking of "currently", you do realize that having a bonus called "European Union" means you'll be updating this map every year, right? :p
2 Maps I made: 11/6/2011 07:39:54

Nerko252
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Austria is not connected to Slovenia
2 Maps I made: 11/6/2011 09:49:38


Domenico
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@ RvW -> Depends on Pa Pa Pa Papandréou... :)
2 Maps I made: 11/6/2011 11:15:47


Moros 
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@ RvW

curveless universe means that there are no beziers, just straight lines, I tought it would look better.

I would not know how to indicate that better, the only way could be making WL support double centerpoints. Or I could make Kalinigrad a country itself and connect it to Russia, but that would be unconsistent because I made every country a territory.
And now you can say that I also made Greenland a territory, while it's part of Denmark. But Greenland has a much more independence from Denmark then Kalinigrad from Russia, and Azerbaijan.

Yes, as soon as a country joins or seperates from the EU I'll update it, the same for the recognizing of Kosovo.

I saw the missing connection and made some other tweaks, the next version is pending already.
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