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Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 14:00:54


Mian 
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Hello everyone,

I checked the WL wiki and didn't find what I'd been looking for : the pick/move order in team games. I could check an old 2v2 to have an idea about 2v2s, but what is the move order for a 3v3, for instance ? I'd like to be sure.
A1 B1 B2 A2 A3 B3 B1 A1 A2 B2 B3 or something like that ?..

Thanks for helping.
Mian
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 16:28:07


Perrin3088 
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I can't guarantee if random turn order is done in that pattern..
a while back fizzer talked about that being an issue, but Idk if one of the recent patches fixed it.. in team games prior, with random turn order the play would be determined similar to if it was a FFA
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 16:33:54

Fizzer 
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This was improved back when the 2v2 ladder was introduced. See http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Move_Order

|> *In team games, WarLight ensures that teams are first randomized into their own move order, and then the players within each team. For example, in a 2v2 game, it's not possible for both of team A's players to get to move before any of team B's players.*
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 16:46:09


Mian 
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So if I don't get this wrong, it would be :

First team randomly considered A1 A2 A3
Second team randomly considered B1 B2 B3

Team A player 1
Team B player 1
Team B player 2
Team A player 2
Team A player 3
Team B player 3
(That is, an ABBAAB as in 1v1)

Then randomize again for A1' A2' A3', B1' B2' B3',

and

Team B player 1'
Team A player 1'
Team A player 2'
Team B player 2'
Team B player 3'
Team A player 3'

and so on ?
Or is randomizing in each team done just once ?
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 16:59:24


Richard Sharpe 
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My guess is that it would be:

A1
B1
B2
A2
A3
B3

then

B3
A3
A2
B2
B1
A1

and on like that. Then have each player move up a slot within their team after each pairing so that the same person isn't always going first or last for their team.
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 19:14:21


Richard Sharpe 
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Just played a team game with no fog and AIs to see how it works.

The order within the team is randomized with each turn but the team order is not. So in other words, if team A goes first, they will always go first but which member of Team A goes is randomized.

So you will get the following:
A1, B3, B2, A2, A3, B1 (snakes for all moves that turn)
A2, B1, B3, A3, A1, B2
A3, B3, B2, A1, A2, B1

And on in that order.
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 19:22:55


°√osτrσ
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well this all is very confusing for me :(
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 19:49:00


Vladimir Putin 
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I understand how the orders work by default, but how does an order priority card effect the move orders?
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 19:55:05


Richard Sharpe 
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My recommendation would be to do what I did... play a game with no fog and have order priority and delay cards in it.
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 20:14:34


Mian 
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@Richard : if so, it could be considered unfair for a given turn, because Team A starts each cycle. I guess the cycle could be done like this :

Randomize teams A and B,
Each turn played ABBAABBAA...

Randomizing players in each team and setting a cycle like
A1 A2... An, then A2 A3... An A1 (as it is, I guess, according to what you observed)
or maybe better,
A1... An, then reverse order An... A1,

Though I guess the fairest way to do it may be to randomize each team's pool of players at each cycle. , so that even if there are few cycles in one turn, any player of each team has a chance to start or finish a cycle.

Or maybe I bring some complication with no evident need... Fizzer, feel free to tell me practically no one really cares about it, and you'll probably be right ^^
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 20:25:20


Richard Sharpe 
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It is arguably unfair that one team starts every time... however, I generally prefer going last, not first.

Note that the players within a team are randomized every time. There is no pattern to their order and they don't consistently move in one direction or another within their team. Its the same randomization as is used in FFA games with the only exception being that one team always starts.
Move orders in team games: 10/28/2011 20:29:14

The Duke of Ben 
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Games without order priority cards could be unfair, as it potentially prohibits one team from getting the first move when it's necessary for them. Sure, it's a 50% chance otherwise, but at least it's possible. Smart players in 2v2 would even be able to tell when it was their turn to go first. Never getting the chance seems odd, at the least.

Getting the last move is a matter of moving more troops around, so it's at least something you can game.
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