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Reporting?: 10/19/2011 11:49:28


Candybert
Level 44
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Hallo forum,

I'm relatively new to this game and I'm not yet familiar with all the features. I can't find any way to report a person I didn't play against. There might not be such a feature because most of the times it won't be necessary.
But I really don't think that one should be able to choose any username... or do you guys think this is acceptable: http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=412621192

cheers, Candybert.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 12:23:42


CuChulainn 
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I assume you're referring to the player's name and photo.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

It isn't against the rules anyway. I forget where the rules are posted but they boil down to this: Don't go out of your way to offend people and don't use a second Warlight account in such a way that it would give you an advantage in a game.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 12:44:35


Candybert
Level 44
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You don't see anything wrong with that?!

Here's my opinion: I refuse to play against a person who names himself after somebody whos is responsible for the death of parts of my family (and from what I've heard also a few other people...)
This "nickname" offends more than half of the community, I'm pretty sure, or at least I hope so.

I do have to agree that this case isn't covered by the rules. Though you could take it as racism, there is such a thing as symbolism!
Also, is everything pefectly ok that isn't strictly forbidden? Or should there be such a thing as common sense?

Anyway... blacklisted.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 13:04:11


Matma Rex 
Level 12
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Adolf is a valid name, and Hitler is a valid surname. There are probably dozens of Adolfs Hitler living right now in Austria and Germany.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 13:33:10

Grzechooo 
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>Also, is everything pefectly ok that isn't strictly forbidden?

There's a golden rule saying, if something is not forbidden, it is allowed.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 14:11:55


bills6693
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Yes it is a valid name, however I am dubious that there are any real people with said name and also who look like that. In this case it is a clear reference to the mass-murderer.

I think that can be classified as offensive. Deliberatley offensive. To a lot of people.

The least that could be done is have a moderator/admin ask this person to change their picture.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 14:27:44


KniFe 
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unless he starts trolling really badly like that Qaddafi kid, he's clean on my books
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 15:15:38

Caligula
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choosing that name and picture is already trolling imo
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 15:41:23


Vladimir Putin 
Level 55
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Perhaps we should ban people who use names such as Alexander the great, Napoleon Bnonaparte, Genghis Khan...hell, go crazy, anyone who uses a historical figure who ever fought in a war or commanded an army should be BANNED...because all those people have killed people.

God, I hate people sometimes. Just black list him so you don't play with him and get over your issues.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 17:22:23


[FF] ibntahrir 
Level 58
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Did you look for this guy? It says he's been inactive for 96 days and you admitted to being new to the game. It seems like you're trying to stir the pot. There are more evil men the Hitler.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 17:57:03


Rainbow Dash (Kurtis)
Level 10
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZZsU7DF1c8](http://link.url)
the reason why Adolf Hitler no longer plays risk anymore
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 18:09:52

Caligula
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The reason why people might find Adolf Hitler offensive is not his military ambition, it's mostly the genocide.
Plus, it's still recent history and his victims or their relatives are still around.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 19:08:00


Vladimir Putin 
Level 55
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While it might offend people...this isn't a support group, if you want to whine about something that offends you go somewhere else.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 19:18:16

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Are you seriously comparing Hitler to Alexander the Great or Napoleon. I don't typically find many thing offensive, but something as blatant as this, with the username and picture, is very offensive and should have no place on this site. Would you be ok with the Nazi insignia as someone's picture? If you are, there's serisouly something wront with you
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 19:53:55


Vladimir Putin 
Level 55
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Just because I don't like something doesn't make me force my views on anyone. Again, if you don't want to play with him, blacklist him. And last time I checked Alexander the Great and Napoleon both killed people, enslaved nations, and destroyed lives. That was my only point, I didn't realize that one man's murder is worse than another man's murder. Also, some people would find your name offensive and make a forum post about it, just a heads up.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 19:54:41


Soul Empress 
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Napoleon had people put to the sword for simply being an ethnic group too.. He also loved to sent people to their deaths just to further his own glory. What did Hitler do? He bough an economical boom for his nation. Does that make him a good man? Of course it does. But he also committed genocide and started a war, does that make him a bad man? Yes.

What it comes down to is the intent behind his act, is he trying to offend someone? If so he should be punished but till then no.
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 20:43:33


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
Level 55
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He likes roleplaying a character. If for every instance you see a reference to Hitler you're offended you should get some counsilling, instead of inferring the other person is the one in the wrong.

Since you're new, how do you know more than half the community agree with you?
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 21:50:41


x 
Level 58
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Here's my opinion: I refuse to play against a person who names himself after somebody whos is responsible for the death of parts of my family (and from what I've heard also a few other people...)


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Wait, what?
Reporting?: 10/19/2011 23:51:03


CuChulainn 
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I'm perfectly fine with you taking offence to a player with the username Adolf Hitler who uses a picture of Adolf Hitler but I think it's a passive offence. If he starts vocalizing any anti-semitic opinions then I think that is an aggressive offence and he is breaking the rules.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 00:17:45


[FF] ibntahrir 
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The fact remains that the guy has been inactive for like three months. He may never come back to warlight. It's beating a dead horse. This guy has never played with him and likely never will he is looking for things to be offended about. Let me see an anti-semtic chat log or something and I'd be behind banning the guy but I find Stalin (which I've seen here) and a few other historical figures just as bad as Hitler.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 01:12:20


bills6693
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Really, I don't think there is much that can be done. This person has either a sense of humor I find very distasteful, or else opinions I find objectionable, but since this person is-
1- inactive at this site
2- not activley spreading or insulting using antisematic statements
3- not activley causing offence to others
then I don't think he should be banned. I would support a moderator/admin suggesting a change of picture to this person, but unless they activley begin causing offence they can be left alone to live their life of tasteless humor and/or racism.

If you don't like them, don't play against them, not that it seems to be an issue since he has been inactive for 3 months.

Life is and always will be full of people with opinions and views that offend others and may even be generally unnaceptable in society but you just have to learn to ignore them and take the moral high road. If you can't take the moral high road I don't think you should critisize someone else for not being moral either.

I'm not saying I support the action Hitler took, or any other instigator of genocide, but really people just have to get on with their lives and ignore the d**ks that are trying to cause you passive offence. Its the real world.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 04:24:55


Vladimir Putin 
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I agree with bills.

http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=346091709

http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=905386975

Ban them too? I mean there's tons of players using names that could be taken as offensive, just get over it.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 04:26:35


Vladimir Putin 
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Sry for the double post, but I played those two players...TODAY, I didn't go searching. I can post links to the games if you wanna sit there say I'm looking for trouble.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 05:19:09


[FF] ibntahrir 
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As posted earlier I'm really interested into how/why the original poster looked this person up.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 05:43:25

Perthro
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I personally would love to play a game with Adolf Hitler.

I would think anyone with negative views towards him would also relish an opportunity to say that they defeated Adolf Hitler in global combat. Offensive? More like issue resolving. Assuming you win that is. If you lose, well, that just shows how much of a threat Hitler was and how vigilant we must all be to ensure such people don't rise to power again (though history suggests they'll continue to do so regardless...)

So yeah. Perfectly valid name and is just begging to be the enemy of every other player.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 10:45:13


Has quit playing
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I really can't see why this name isn't disallowed... In Poland, he could even go to jail for openly identifying with Hitler.

Anyway, thank you for the profile links, updated my blacklist :).
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 12:30:26


Candybert
Level 44
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I just stumbled over the name in the 512 player tournament, I didn't actively look for such names. I do have a life apart from "whining" about inappropriate user names. ^^

...as for the rest of the discussion: I think there's a big difference between genocide and war. In a war it's soldiers against each other, although that is really horrible it's still a "fair" battle. If children are put in a gas chamber by armed men it's a lot different, right?

Anyway, I don't want to compare Hitler to other dictators, I just thought that this profile was highly (and probably deliberately) offensive. At least to me it is and I'm not the only one as I see. I didn't see that the profile wasn't used for a while, maybe I would have left it that way...

Ps: Stalin -> blacklist.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 12:37:00


Candybert
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PS: Also in my homecountry (Austria) you can go to jail for identifying with Hitler. Also you could not name your child like that... if you originally carried that name (and didn't change it) you might still be named Adolf Hitler... but I don't think there's a person named like that nowadays.
So is it a valid name? Only theoretically I think.
Reporting?: 10/20/2011 20:52:50


Matma Rex 
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Davean:
|> I really can't see why this name isn't disallowed... In Poland, he could even go to jail for openly identifying with Hitler.

Not really. First, Warlight servers are not (probably) located in Poland, and Polish right doesn't really have much to do here. Second, It'd have to be open "promotion" of nazism or similar system (it doesn't have anything to do with Hitler himself), and I highly doubt any court would sentence anyone to jail time for using "Hitler" for a nickname and his photo for an avatar.

Let me cite an excerpt from the Penal Code (Kodeks Karny - I'm not certain of that translation):
|> Kto publicznie propaguje faszystowski lub inny totalitarny ustrój państwa lub nawołuje do nienawiści na tle różnic narodowościowych, etnicznych, rasowych, wyznaniowych albo ze względu na bezwyznaniowość, podlega grzywnie, karze ograniczenia wolności albo pozbawienia wolności do lat 2.

My rough translation for English-speakers here:
|> Who publicly promotes fascist or other totalitarian political system or incites hatred on national, ethnic, racial or religious grounds can be subjected to a fine, restriction of freedom or imprisonment up to 2 years.

There's also an article in the Constitution which explicitly disallows existence of political parties and other organizations referencing fascism, nazism and communism (and some other things in similar vein which are not important here).

(Source: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazizm#Sytuacja_prawna_w_Polsce)


(I'm a Pole too, if you haven't guessed by now ;) )
Reporting?: 10/22/2011 16:12:28

Hitler
Level 2
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I think it's ok.
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